The Footie Thread

[Orikoru]

Maybe the ref & VAR got this right, though I’m not 100% convinced. A rhetorical question; if you jump and you’re on the way down do you put your leg out or do you bring it closer to your centre of gravity so you don’t fall when you land? Just asking… I don’t think it’s conclusive either way and I’d say it’s just a coming together.

As I said earlier - the little nudge on his waist while in mid-air throws him off balance and causes his leg to flail forward slightly.

 

[AmandaJR]

Maybe the ref & VAR got this right, though I’m not 100% convinced. A rhetorical question; if you jump and you’re on the way down do you put your leg out or do you bring it closer to your centre of gravity so you don’t fall when you land? Just asking… I don’t think it’s conclusive either way and I’d say it’s just a coming together.

That did cross my mind as if your feet were in front of your hips then bending them would bring your feet closer to you. He was so straight at the peak of his jump though that it would be a weird donkey kick to bring his feet towards him...I think.

 

[Hobbit]

As I said earlier - the little nudge on his waist while in mid-air throws him off balance and causes his leg to flail forward slightly.

That did cross my mind as if your feet were in front of your hips then bending them would bring your feet closer to you. He was so straight at the peak of his jump though that it would be a weird donkey kick to bring his feet towards him...I think.

I genuinely don’t know the correct answer but in my opinion he doesn’t make an effort to pull his leg back BUT, as I said, it’s inconclusive.

 

[clubchamp98]

When the Gala player gives him that little nudge with his hand, it puts him slightly off balance so he flails his legs out slightly since he's in mid-air. That's literally it. His eyes never once glance down like he's trying to land on his heel, he's just watching the ball. Total accident and an awful decision.

I agree
He never looks down so can’t see where the other players leg or foot is.

 

[Swango1980]

Maybe the ref & VAR got this right, though I’m not 100% convinced. A rhetorical question; if you jump and you’re on the way down do you put your leg out or do you bring it closer to your centre of gravity so you don’t fall when you land? Just asking… I don’t think it’s conclusive either way and I’d say it’s just a coming together.

To give you a fair and honest answer, I'd need to go out and film myself a few hundred times, observe what I did, compile the outcomes and share that research with you. But judging by the disgrace of my golf swing and the way my body moves, I doubt anything I do would tell us what a regular human being would do.

If I was to guess, I reckon the answer is dependent on many variables. Who you are and your athletic ability. The angle you are coming in at. If you are touched by another player. How high you jump. Randomness of the occasion.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Not all contact is a foul, even if there is a bit of contact with the arm.

And in this case, if there was contact, it was minimal. The Juve player made the header, as intended. And he landed as intended, except for fact on way down his foot made contact with the opponent. But he certainly was't forced out of balance and suddenly landing on his back or anything like that.

I see no foul by either player in this case.

I see a deliberate intent to give a light push to the player in the air. He has moved towards the player in the air in order to achieve this.
There is no attempt to get to the ball or to play the ball fairly. He pushed the player who is in the air heading the ball.
A deliberate push to someone who is in the air playing the ball is dangerous, because it can cause the player to land on the ground in an uncontrolled way.

 

[Swango1980]

I see a deliberate intent to give a light push to the player in the air. He has moved towards the player in the air in order to achieve this.
There is no attempt to get to the ball or to play the ball fairly. He pushed the player who is in the air heading the ball.
A deliberate push to someone who is in the air playing the ball is dangerous, because it can cause the player to land on the ground in an uncontrolled way.

I appreciate you have an opinion on it, and you must have an explanation for it.

But it doesn't change my opinion that it wasn't a foul.

 

[4LEX]

Never a foul, let alone a red.

The game has been changed so much to eradicate mistakes, yet they happen constantly. As I said years ago, you can forgive a ref making a mistake in a fast paced game, you can't forgive someone that's watched it a dozen times from various angles.

 

[clubchamp98]

I appreciate you have an opinion on it, and you must have an explanation for it.

But it doesn't change my opinion that it wasn't a foul.

Voyager’s explanation is good imo.

What I can’t understand is how the ref and two VAR refs think that’s a red.
Diabolical

 

[Voyager EMH]

I appreciate you have an opinion on it, and you must have an explanation for it.

But it doesn't change my opinion that it wasn't a foul.

Deliberately pushing someone with your hand/arm is a foul.

 

[Swango1980]

Deliberately pushing someone with your hand/arm is a foul.

Nope, it isn't

Watch a game of football and count how many times players deliberately put their hands/arms on players, and no foul is given. Nor would a foul ever be considered. You might be shocked.

Players use their hands and arms to protect their space, and to pressurise opponents. A foul for a push needs to meet a certain threshold. There are plenty of times were a legitimate debate can be had whether that threshold was met, and why the ref did or didnt make the decision.

But, I'm still comfortable in my mind the Juve player was not fouled at all.

 

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[Voyager EMH]

Nope, it isn't

Watch a game of football and count how many times players deliberately put their hands/arms on players, and no foul is given. Nor would a foul ever be considered. You might be shocked.

Players use their hands and arms to protect their space, and to pressurise opponents. A foul for a push needs to meet a certain threshold. There are plenty of times were a legitimate debate can be had whether that threshold was met, and why the ref did or didnt make the decision.

But, I'm still comfortable in my mind the Juve player was not fouled at all.

Yes it is.

Deliberately pushing someone with your hand/arm is a foul.

 

[Swango1980]

Yes it is.

Deliberately pushing someone with your hand/arm is a foul.

Let's end this please. I've given my view on the specific incident. I will also have my view on other incidents that I believe cross the threshold or not.

You constantly trying to give me a general description of a push won't change my mind. I'm not going to try and change yours.

Cheers.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Football is a contact sport. Pushing, shoving, barging is allowed to a degree. There is no defined level of this, it's a refs judgement.

 

[Voyager EMH]

A push is a foul.

The ref can allow the game to continue without awarding a free kick for that foul.
Or the ref can simply not see the foul.

But a deliberate push is a foul none-the-less.

 

[irip]

A push is a foul.

The ref can allow the game to continue without awarding a free kick for that foul.
Or the ref can simply not see the foul.

But a deliberate push is a foul none-the-less.

By the laws of the game it is a foul,
Many refs will see it though and think it’s not enough of a push to award a free kick.

VAR will then stop the game for 5 minutes and then toss a coin to come a decision

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Well I beleive the player with the hand up was more than likely trying to protect himself from the guy in their as opposed to anything intentional

It wasn’t a foul from either player imo

 

[Neilds]

A push is a foul.

The ref can allow the game to continue without awarding a free kick for that foul.
Or the ref can simply not see the foul.

But a deliberate push is a foul none-the-less.

According to Law 12:

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• charges
• jumps at
• kicks or attempts to kick
• pushes
• strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
• tackles or challenges
• trips or attempts to trip

Therefore, by deduction, a push is not always a foul unless the referee determines it to be careless, excessive or reckless.

 

[Orikoru]

Never a foul, let alone a red.

The game has been changed so much to eradicate mistakes, yet they happen constantly. As I said years ago, you can forgive a ref making a mistake in a fast paced game, you can't forgive someone that's watched it a dozen times from various angles.

This is one thing they didn't anticipate though I think - sometimes watching it in slow-motion twenty times drains all of the context and rationality out of it. Like when you stare at word too long to see if you've spelt it correctly and you start wondering if it's even a word anymore. The more they watch the video back the more they are just focused on the stud hitting the ankle, again and again, and they start to completely ignore the bigger picture.

I wish they could go back to the start with it - and just make it a pitchside monitor that the referee can choose to re-watch an incident on, if he wants to. It's played from two or three different angles, but at normal speed and only once or twice each. Taking no longer than a minute.