AmandaJR
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The game's gone mad.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
Now then - why is this player tackling the player in the air by placing hand near groin?
Very strange tactic. I no longer fully understand football rules. In rugby you can't tackle a player until his feet are back on the ground.
The lesson to be learned is that after heading the ball, do not attempt to land on your feet if opposing player is nearby, because it is potentially dangerous.
Instead you should grab the player on your descent and land on top of him with full body-to-body contact and then roll around on the ground a few times, lie still for a few minutes, and then get up as if you are having great difficulty with you arms and legs.
This is acceptable.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
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Swango1980
Well-known member
Well, I don't think he was "tackling" him? Not judging by the still, and from memory, I thought the Galatasary player was trying to run away from the Juve player, chasing the loose ball?
That being said, it was one of the most absurd red cards I've ever seen. He was getting a red anyway, as it was a second yellow (which is a joke in itself). Yet VAR decided it should be UPGRADED to a straight red, thus probably giving the Juve player a 3 game ban instead of a 1 game ban. To me, that is mind boggling. If I was on VAR, I'd be feeling bad that I couldn't intervene to remove the second yellow. Yet this VAR went the opposite way, and decided he needed a longer ban.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
The ban is the same, so not sure why it needed VAR anyway. 3 games is for violent conduct which this wasn't.
Swango1980
Well-known member
This is where I may be getting confused to FA and UEFA Rules, and their punishments? Had to do a bit of digging to find the UEFA Laws of the game (just in case they were different to FA). Straight reds can be given for denying a goalscoring chance, typically a 1 game ban. The other reasons are Serious Foul Play, Biting, Spitting, Violent Conduct, Offensive and abusive language. I assumed all of those would carry a 3 match ban? Whereas getting a red for a second yellow would, by definition, be seen as less serios, and get a 1 game ban?
Mind you, I'm hoping they see sense, and either overturn it, or have the flexibility to minimise the ban to 1 game anyway (assuming a straight red is commonly given multi-game bans)
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
No - not at that point of contact - he was moving towards Kelly.
He had no chance whatsoever of challenging for the ball in the air so he sought to put Kelly off balance or force him to head the ball poorly by fouling with his hand.
Arthur Wedge
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He didn’t touch him , never judge by a still picture
garyinderry
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Orikoru
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Genuinely one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. It's staggering how much worse refereeing has got since VAR came in - I don't think anyone predicted that. And still they get progressively worse.
Beezerk
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I’m going against the grain here, for me he sticks his leg/foot out to intentionally catch the other player.
[dons tin hat]
[dons tin hat]
Orikoru
Tour Winner
When the Gala player gives him that little nudge with his hand, it puts him slightly off balance so he flails his legs out slightly since he's in mid-air. That's literally it. His eyes never once glance down like he's trying to land on his heel, he's just watching the ball. Total accident and an awful decision.I’m going against the grain here, for me he sticks his leg/foot out to intentionally catch the other player.
[dons tin hat]
Beezerk
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I couldn’t disagree more, I don’t think that minor touch causes him to kick his lower leg out
you don’t need to look to know you are able to “catch” someone, it will be in your peripheral vision 
Swango1980
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I guess Beezerk and the VAR fall into the 1 in 1,000 people that think that was a straight red card
I've looked at that video clip above a dozen times now, to try and make a case for the potential the Juve player could have intentionally tried to land his studs into the opponents leg. I can't even convince myself there is a 0.5% chance that this was his mind process. It looks like a completely natural move of the legs while he is in the air. It also looks like he put absolutely no force into his leg when contact was made, and it was only the fact his studs looked to have got caught on the top of the opponents sock that forced his foot upwards, rather than simply glancing off.
I've looked at that video clip above a dozen times now, to try and make a case for the potential the Juve player could have intentionally tried to land his studs into the opponents leg. I can't even convince myself there is a 0.5% chance that this was his mind process. It looks like a completely natural move of the legs while he is in the air. It also looks like he put absolutely no force into his leg when contact was made, and it was only the fact his studs looked to have got caught on the top of the opponents sock that forced his foot upwards, rather than simply glancing off.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Not all contact is a foul, even if there is a bit of contact with the arm.
And in this case, if there was contact, it was minimal. The Juve player made the header, as intended. And he landed as intended, except for fact on way down his foot made contact with the opponent. But he certainly was't forced out of balance and suddenly landing on his back or anything like that.
I see no foul by either player in this case.
Beezerk
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I guess Beezerk and the VAR fall into the 1 in 1,000 people that think that was a straight red card
I've looked at that video clip above a dozen times now, to try and make a case for the potential the Juve player could have intentionally tried to land his studs into the opponents leg. I can't even convince myself there is a 0.5% chance that this was his mind process. It looks like a completely natural move of the legs while he is in the air. It also looks like he put absolutely no force into his leg when contact was made, and it was only the fact his studs looked to have got caught on the top of the opponents sock that forced his foot upwards, rather than simply glancing off.
To steal a phrase from a fellow forumer…they gave a red card so there’s no further discussion to be had
AmandaJR
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I’m going against the grain here, for me he sticks his leg/foot out to intentionally catch the other player.
[dons tin hat]
I see where you're going with that but for me his lower leg moves out as he starts to bend his knee to cushion his landing? At the peak of his jump his legs are straight and he'd instinctively change that mid air.
