The Footie Thread

[nickjdavis]

It would make sense where possible to rest those players who need it.
The tie is done and that’s all that matters.

I’m waiting for Eddie to give me a shout otherwise I’m round at 20.00 to help with plastering (I cant plaster but can help Billy with the tea).

Even though the tie is done I'm hoping that it will be entertaining enough that I don't have to resort to DIY.

 

[irip]

Even though the tie is done I'm hoping that it will be entertaining enough that I don't have to resort to DIY.

I’ll be honest I won’t bother watching it ( I would if it was my team) the game is over.
I’m not coming round to do your DIY though

 

[PaulMdj]

It'll be interesting to see how the summer window goes given the WC however my opinion is that very little will get done beforehand so if Carrick weren't offered the job there is time for a new manager to come in and sort out potential signings.

The window opens on the 15th June which is after the WC starts and the WC finishes on the 19th July although obviously players will return home before that. I guess the issue will be if United decide they want a coach of an international side and have to wait for them to get knocked out then it could have implications. Either way though you'd expect the board to have a shortlist of players that they want and they'll be bought regardless of the manager if he's not in place at that point.

As you say, that is if, and it could be a big if, a suitable manager is appointed or available, plus if you wait too long they may join other Clubs.

As for the shortlist of players, how many times have we seen issues with players being forced on to managers and it not working.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The conversation with Van Der Sar last night was really , thought VDS was very good

Looking at the list they put up is there anyone missing ?

Pickford ? hart ?

Think the top two could swap

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Big Nev should be higher, Reina should not be on there, Pickford should be

De Gea at 4 Behave

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Big Nev should be higher, Reina should not be on there, Pickford should be

De Gea at 4 Behave

Reina played 300 games for Liverpool with 177 clean sheets - 44%

Pickford a little bit less

Southall prob a bit better before the Prem ?

Would swap De Gea and VDS

 

[Swango1980]

Big Nev should be higher, Reina should not be on there, Pickford should be

De Gea at 4 Behave

He did say that if Southall had played his career in the PL, he would be right up near the top of the list. Called him the best keeper on the planet in his heyday.

I was shocked he thought De Gea was better than Van der Sar. I'm sure if you asked most Man Utd fans who their best PL keepers were, Schmeichel and Van Der Sar would be 1 and 2. De Gea would probably be 3rd (but hopefully Lammens will be up there in a few years), but a distant 3rd to our top 2.

I'm not sure about Reina myself. Pickford is probably hammered simply because he hasn't played for one of the PL teams fighting for the league title. Martinez, Lehman and Given may get votes from certain fan groups. There are keepers presently that could easily get into it in a few years time, like Donnaruma or Raya.

I was shocked that they didn't even give Onana an honourable mention

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Stats really can mess about when it gets to keepers. Reina will have better stats than Pickford because he played in a better team. I'd have Jordan every day over him. I don't say that Reina was poor but I don't think he was a top 10 keeper.

Fair point about Southall.

At best I'd have De Gea at 10, but that might be generous still.

Given is a good shout. Lloris at Spurs? It's hard to remember names, particularly if they were not at one of the bigger teams.

 

[anotherdouble]

So Chris Kavanagh is back for united palace this weekend on sky. I very much doubt extensive training has taken place in the break. His sidekick on the line has got Watford game Friday night and back for a midweek premiere game the following week.

 

[irip]

I think we have seen a lot of top keepers in the premier league not mentioned.
Just off the top of my head

Cudicini
David James
Harper
Friedel
Robinson
Given
Hart
Pickford
Lloris
Bosnich
Martyn

Maybe not top level but all worth a shout in discussion about top 10

 

[Swango1980]

Stats really can mess about when it gets to keepers. Reina will have better stats than Pickford because he played in a better team. I'd have Jordan every day over him. I don't say that Reina was poor but I don't think he was a top 10 keeper.

Fair point about Southall.

At best I'd have De Gea at 10, but that might be generous still.

Given is a good shout. Lloris at Spurs? It's hard to remember names, particularly if they were not at one of the bigger teams.

I thought everyone was always slating Lloris to be honest, as a bit of a calamity keeper. Mind you, he still was picked by France, won a World Cup and came runner up in another, so he must have been pretty decent.

Yeah, stats can be misleading in some cases. Van Der Sar even pointed out that his stats include the lengthy spell he was at Fulham, and his record is still 42.17% clean sheets. I'm guessing Schmeichel's record is lower due to the often high risk attacking football Ferguson liked to play. I was surprised that Reina was so high though, as I never really remember Liverpool being in contention to win many titles back then. It was pretty much during the Man Utd v Chelsea fight for the title, and then in his final years the Man Utd versus City fight. I guess if Liverpool's defence was really solid back then, they must have had problems in attack. Although that also feels odd, given they had Torres and then Suarez

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Stats really can mess about when it gets to keepers. Reina will have better stats than Pickford because he played in a better team. I'd have Jordan every day over him. I don't say that Reina was poor but I don't think he was a top 10 keeper.

Fair point about Southall.

At best I'd have De Gea at 10, but that might be generous still.

Given is a good shout. Lloris at Spurs? It's hard to remember names, particularly if they were not at one of the bigger teams.

Think when it comes down to the likes of Reina and Pickford it will be personal preference

Reina was outstanding for us during the Rafa years

Given was excellent - Lloris don’t think would put him amongst the best

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I think we have seen a lot of top keepers in the premier league not mentioned.
Just off the top of my head

Cudicini
David James
Harper
Friedel
Robinson
Given
Hart
Pickford
Lloris
Bosnich
Martyn

Maybe not top level but all worth a shout in discussion about top 10

I was nodding in approval until I saw you wrote Bosnich

He was so overrated, though Nigel Martyn that’s great shout for and underrated keeper.

 

[irip]

I was nodding in approval until I saw you wrote Bosnich

He was so overrated, though Nigel Martyn that’s great shout for and underrated keeper.

Bosnich at Villa was brilliant.
He then went to United and was useless,
And that’s why I put him in

 

[PaulMdj]

Big Nev should be higher, Reina should not be on there, Pickford should be

De Gea at 4 Behave

It was a very good segment to be honest, Reina got in as he holds the record for clean sheets per games played.

All of them were backed up by stats.

Big Nev got in because in his prime he was possibly the best in the world.
Like or dislike Carragher ever one was justified and neither him nor Van Der Sar could come up with anyone else who could be in there, bar Hart & Pickford.

Choice between top 2 was very tight and could of gone either way.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It was a very good segment to be honest, Reina got in as he holds the record for clean sheets per games played.

All of them were backed up by stats.

Big Nev got in because in his prime he was possibly the best in the world.
Like or dislike Carragher ever one was justified and neither him nor Van Der Sar could come up with anyone else who could be in there, bar Hart & Pickford.

Choice between top 2 was very tight and could have gone either way.

The segments they have done before MNF have been very good this season

And was good to see one done on GKs because at times they never seem to get as much focus as others

 

[PaulMdj]

The segments they have done before MNF have been very good this season

And was good to see one done on GKs because at times they never seem to get as much focus as others

Probably the hardest one, imo, it can be very subjective.

 

[Tashyboy]

Re Carrick being the Utd manager. I think there are quite a few questions to ask.

Does he actually want the job full time. He was set on as an interim manager but would he actually want it full time.

There’s no two ways, he is getting the job done in a sense of results with players that other managers have failed with. But is he actually doing it the Utd way. I don’t know, the thoughts of fans appreciated.

 

[Swango1980]

Re Carrick being the Utd manager. I think there are quite a few questions to ask.

Does he actually want the job full time. He was set on as an interim manager but would he actually want it full time.

There’s no two ways, he is getting the job done in a sense of results with players that other managers have failed with. But is he actually doing it the Utd way. I don’t know, the thoughts of fans appreciated.

It was the "Utd way" against City and Arsenal. It has been more of a grind against defensive teams. But, Fergies team didnt necessarily batter teams week in, week out. Nor does Pep or managers of some of the current top clubs.

Utd need a lot more work in playing against low block sides. They need to develop the squad. For example, Luke Shaw doesn't seem to have the fitness anymore to support attack, Dalot does but lacks quality. So, improving those positions could help a lot.

I think fans of every club want to see entertaining attacking football, and wanna see winning football. So how does the "Utd way" differ from any other club and what their fans want? If Amorim's system produced entertaining, winning football, then no doubt Utd fans would have been very much on board.

No manager choice is risk free. It is as much about having a manager that the board know they can work with, and it will be up to them to ensure they do good business in the transfer window to support him.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Fair play to Man Utd,finished 15th last season,currently sat 4th with 4 more points than last seasons total.
In this case they were definitely right to sack the manager.
Had a good transfer window,Cunha & Mbuemo have been very good.
But the GK has probably been their best signing imo.