The Footie Thread

[PaulMdj]

Bit like cricket? You get an appeal, you keep it if successful?

No mate, 2 appeals right or wrong. No keeping them etc.

 

[AmandaJR]

We are able to imagine that world this weekend. And the officials have been slated as a result of it.

As bad as at least one, if not 2 of those mistakes were in the Newcastle game, they are the sort of mistakes that happened pre VAR, due to human error. If Newcastle had lost, the criticism would have been tenfold.

I struggle to buy the fact officials are inept. I'm sure there is competition for places at the elite level, and I'm guessing they spend loads (comparative to most other nations) on training and assessment. Potentially, because VAR has been a crutch for so long at elite level, they have lost a bit of ability in having to make the big decisions in the heat of the moment.

Weird moment last night when Gapko scored, linesman didn't flag for offside, then a very long time after goal went in, he flagged. I'm not sure what he was waiting for. Also, think is was West Ham game where ref was going to give a yellow, went over to see injured player, then changed his mind and gave red. If VAR was there, I reckon he gives yellow and lets VAR review. And I'm not sure VAR would have overturned that one.

Yes but...without the technology to review incidents in frame by frame slow mo we'd be like "hmmm, that looked offside" or "that looked a red card foul" - but without the repeated review we'd move on. Or move on faster. I know it can't happen but the refs are seeing it once, at full speed, possibly from a dodgy angle.

 

[PaulMdj]

I refereed for over 10 years when an injury stopped me from playing, games vsried from easy to hard, the hardest were always when you had players trying to make the decisions for you and constantly moaning.

As Nick said, mistakes are made and you’ll never get a 100% performance from anyone, I don’t believe any Ref purposely gets a decision wrong.

As for VAR and “clear and obvious”, too many are hanging their hat on that saying, what is clear and obvious to one person won’t be to another.

Yesterday shows me why we need VAR at the top level, but it should either be for everything or it should be binned.

Fans moan, we all do, we are tribal, throw-ins are a perfect example, watch any game today and you’ll see home fans go mental when a throw is not taken from the correct place, then watch the same fans sit quietly when their team does the same thing.

 

[PaulMdj]

Yes but...without the technology to review incidents in frame by frame slow mo we'd be like "hmmm, that looked offside" or "that looked a red card foul" - but without the repeated review we'd move on. Or move on faster. I know it can't happen but the refs are seeing it once, at full speed, possibly from a dodgy angle.

Spot on, who knows if for the penalty decision last night the Ref was looking away at other players and the linesman was with the last man, both missed it in the one look they get.

 

[anotherdouble]

A lot of the talk seems to focus on the man in the middle but whatever change has happened it seems to have altered how the 2 mannequins behave on the sidelines. They just seem to continually jog up and down and use the odd semaphore once the referee has made a decision. Yesterday penalty but no penalty was in the correct quadrant for the Lino but yet nothing.

 

[AmandaJR]

A lot of the talk seems to focus on the man in the middle but whatever change has happened it seems to have altered how the 2 mannequins behave on the sidelines. They just seem to continually jog up and down and use the odd semaphore once the referee has made a decision. Yesterday penalty but no penalty was in the correct quadrant for the Lino but yet nothing.

100%. They should be a team of three. Lino needs to take more responsibility. If they want to be called a referee's assistant then start assisting. If not then any guy (or gal) from the stands can run up and down with a flag!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

No mate, 2 appeals right or wrong. No keeping them etc.

Brutal

 

[Billysboots]

I've refereed.

Its not easy as you say....i made mistakes, gave wrong decisions. I ref'd in a works league and had the ignominity of having to face the players I'd ref'd in the corridors of work in the days afterwards. On the flip side I didnt have tens of thousands of baying Neanderthals shouting at me or having my (non) performance anlalysed by the Red Tops on a Sunday morning.

But some stuff that we saw yesterday goes beyond the pale I'm afraid.

I did it once, in my early 20’s. I worked for a high street bank at the time, and because I was injured and couldn’t play I foolishly volunteered to referee a “friendly” between my shower and Barclays.

The abuse I got was absolutely unbelievable in what was supposed to be a friendly between two teams of professionals. In the end I got so fed up with it that, much to my shame now, when one of the Barclays’ players hurled yet more abuse my way I told him in no uncertain terms that I was refereeing as a favour and, if he abused me once more I would put him on his backside.

Things quietened down after that. But it’s the last time I ever reffed a game. Awful experience.

 

[nickjdavis]

A lot of the talk seems to focus on the man in the middle but whatever change has happened it seems to have altered how the 2 mannequins behave on the sidelines. They just seem to continually jog up and down and use the odd semaphore once the referee has made a decision. Yesterday penalty but no penalty was in the correct quadrant for the Lino but yet nothing.

Lot to be said for this. You see it regularly when the ball goes out for a throw...the linesman often wont raise his flag until the ref tells him which way the throw should go...even if the linesman is five yards away and the ref thirty.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Lot to be said for this. You see it regularly when the ball goes out for a throw...the linesman often wont raise his flag until the ref tells him which way the throw should go...even if the linesman is five yards away and the ref thirty.

Will be interesting to know why it took so long for the flag to go up for the Gakpo offside and then they flagged straight away for the Rio offside

 

[RichA]

Listening to Birmingham v Leeds on 5 Live. Clinton Morrison is co-commentator.
The way he’s criticising the strikers and saying what he would have done, I just had to check how many times he won the golden boot in his career.
Turns out he won it zero times and averaged 1 goal for every 6 hours he was on the pitch.

 

[Billysboots]

Listening to Birmingham v Leeds on 5 Live. Clinton Morrison is co-commentator.
The way he’s criticising the strikers and saying what he would have done, I just had to check how many times he won the golden boot in his career.
Turns out he won it zero times and averaged 1 goal for every 6 hours he was on the pitch.

Can’t stand listening to the fella. It’s like gangsta rap meets football punditry.

 

[PaulMdj]

The other thing I see when people criticise officials is just how trivial the point they are trying to make is, almost as if they expect them to be perfect every time.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Well that’s a proper FA Cup pitch at Grimsby