The Footie Thread

[Arthur Wedge]

And now Senegal score a peach in Extra time

Couldn’t make this up

 

[Reemul]

Good win for the toffees. Great 3 points x

 

[Skytot]

Afcon final wtf ?
Only Mane come out of that with any respect

 

[Arthur Wedge]

That’s a very tainted win after what Senegal did

 

[upsidedown]

Watching this in Agadir has been hard

 

[IanM]

Switched on after your post. Absolutely bonkers.

 

[Aztecs27]

Forest have looked good today, well organised and minimising quality chances being conceded and decent on the break.

We are just a bit toothless up front with the way Dyche typically sets us up. But we were good for a point yesterday. Very pleasing.

What wasn’t pleasing was Spurs being absolutely chuffing useless.

And and Villa not taking advantage of us trying to help them out yesterday. Also useless.

 

[Aztecs27]

We've left it far too late but we're so much better lately. I've no idea what Vitor Periera was doing with this lot but they're much better now.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence you’ve started improving since Rob Edwards has bought the GOAT Rui Silva into his backroom staff.

 

[clubchamp98]

I’d like to apologise to all the PL refs I’ve criticised this season.
Just watched the AFCON final and he’s deffo the worst.

 

[SteveW86]

That’s a very tainted win after what Senegal did

Did you see what was happening with the keepers towel?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Did you see what was happening with the keepers towel?

Yep , and with the water bottles , as well as the stewards being caught with laser pens

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Some interesting suggestions here.

Red cards, VAR and offside laws facing Ifab review at London meeting

The Ifab's annual business meeting in London will discuss changes to the laws for the Fifa World Cup and domestic leagues.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[HampshireHog]

That’ll fix it

 

[Lord Tyrion]

That’ll fix it

Some of the ideas are not bad to be fair. The problem is, players and managers are constantly pushing the laws and the rules have to adapt.

 

[HampshireHog]

Other than extending the 8 second rule to other time wasting actions. It’s just more guff to deny the spectator any enjoyment and justification of VAR.

Boooooo

 

[Swango1980]

Other than extending the 8 second rule to other time wasting actions. It’s just more guff to deny the spectator any enjoyment and justification of VAR.

Boooooo

I agree.

In any competitive environment in life, people will look to push the boundaries of rules. The rules will change, but players and coaches will still find ways to push the boundaries.

Yes, there are some interesting ideas. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised that 95% of rule changes in this day and age are nothing to do with making the game fairer and more enjoyable for fans. They are to do with VAR. They are trying to make every single scenario as black and white as possible. So, red cards and goals can be reviewed, and given or not given based on technicalities. They want to get to the promised land where not one fan will ever moan about a decision or point out inconsistency. A promised land impossible to reach.

I remember the good old days when a qualified on-field referee was qualified enough to see violent conduct. On the odd occasion he might have missed it (like a swift punch to an opponent when the ref has his back turned), then that player could still be punished with a lengthy ban and big fine after an independent review. I remember the good old days where there could be a tangle in the box, the ball might graze a players arm who then scores the goal, and the goal is given (because it is never a handball in a million years in any other area of the pitch, or by any other player who doesn't score). Even today, in lower leagues, the goal is rightly awarded (the ref will never see the "handball" in real time anyway). But not in VAR world, because the geniuses at the top have found another reason to disallow a goal. Why? In case anyone ever scores a goal like Henry versus Ireland all those years ago? How about just using common sense, and recognising when a handball has a clear impact, and when it really doesn't (and clearly unintentional).

These rule changes will clearly make VAR more and more important. Second yellow cards (often these are more subjective than straight reds, so there will be even more controversy in general) and corners (they say it will be quick, but I bet sometimes they'll spend about 5 minutes trying to figure out who hit it last when both players looked to make contact simultaneoiusly). They'll probably need to introduce it for throw ins soon, of more and more teams have throw in specialists who can cause carnage by throwing it into the box.

They might as well get rid of onfield officials, and blow a big horn into the stadium any time VAR wants to make a decision. The onfield referee is pretty worthless now, because he ultimately has no responsibility to make big decisions. Even being called to the screen is an illusion to him actually being important. He is only called to the screen if VAR believe he has made a mistake, so 99% of the time he'll have to agree with them anyway, as they've had the chance to view it multiple times from many angles, and discuss amongst themselves in the studio that they are happy he was wrong. In the 1% of times he sticks with his onfield decision, it is only because the VAR guys were truly diabolical in their thought process, or the onfield ref is arrogant enough to believe his original decision was correct, despite others having more evidence available to them.

 

[Neilds]

Not sure why they are just looking at 2nd yellow cards. What happens if the 2nd yellow is justified but it turns out the 1st one wasn't? Just going to open up a bigger can of worms than is there now.

 

[Swango1980]

Not sure why they are just looking at 2nd yellow cards. What happens if the 2nd yellow is justified but it turns out the 1st one wasn't? Just going to open up a bigger can of worms than is there now.

Agreed. And if they only look at the first yellow AFTER the second yellow is givem it would be stupid. Because fans at home will know that if the first yellow is likely to be ruled out, they won't care if the player gets a second yellow. And that player will also probably get that message at some point, and so not be worried about it either. So, they'd really need to review the first yellow as soon as it is given out I think.

For 8pm kick offs, in a year or 2 fans won't be leaving the ground until about 11pm. Or midnight if it is a game that goes to extra time and penalties.

 

[Hobbit]

I agree.

In any competitive environment in life, people will look to push the boundaries of rules. The rules will change, but players and coaches will still find ways to push the boundaries.

Yes, there are some interesting ideas. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised that 95% of rule changes in this day and age are nothing to do with making the game fairer and more enjoyable for fans. They are to do with VAR. They are trying to make every single scenario as black and white as possible. So, red cards and goals can be reviewed, and given or not given based on technicalities. They want to get to the promised land where not one fan will ever moan about a decision or point out inconsistency. A promised land impossible to reach.

I remember the good old days when a qualified on-field referee was qualified enough to see violent conduct. On the odd occasion he might have missed it (like a swift punch to an opponent when the ref has his back turned), then that player could still be punished with a lengthy ban and big fine after an independent review. I remember the good old days where there could be a tangle in the box, the ball might graze a players arm who then scores the goal, and the goal is given (because it is never a handball in a million years in any other area of the pitch, or by any other player who doesn't score). Even today, in lower leagues, the goal is rightly awarded (the ref will never see the "handball" in real time anyway). But not in VAR world, because the geniuses at the top have found another reason to disallow a goal. Why? In case anyone ever scores a goal like Henry versus Ireland all those years ago? How about just using common sense, and recognising when a handball has a clear impact, and when it really doesn't (and clearly unintentional).

These rule changes will clearly make VAR more and more important. Second yellow cards (often these are more subjective than straight reds, so there will be even more controversy in general) and corners (they say it will be quick, but I bet sometimes they'll spend about 5 minutes trying to figure out who hit it last when both players looked to make contact simultaneoiusly). They'll probably need to introduce it for throw ins soon, of more and more teams have throw in specialists who can cause carnage by throwing it into the box.

They might as well get rid of onfield officials, and blow a big horn into the stadium any time VAR wants to make a decision. The onfield referee is pretty worthless now, because he ultimately has no responsibility to make big decisions. Even being called to the screen is an illusion to him actually being important. He is only called to the screen if VAR believe he has made a mistake, so 99% of the time he'll have to agree with them anyway, as they've had the chance to view it multiple times from many angles, and discuss amongst themselves in the studio that they are happy he was wrong. In the 1% of times he sticks with his onfield decision, it is only because the VAR guys were truly diabolical in their thought process, or the onfield ref is arrogant enough to believe his original decision was correct, despite others having more evidence available to them.

Really?

Second yellows are more subjective? Jeez… each incident is determined on its merits, although a ref might be reluctant to give a second yellow as it leads to a sending off but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t warrant action.

Calling the ref to the big screen is an illusion…? I’ve seen a good few refs stick with their original decision.

Wow! I’ve read some long winded rubbish in here but… anyway, wow!

 

[Swango1980]

Really?

Second yellows are more subjective? Jeez… each incident is determined on its merits, although a ref might be reluctant to give a second yellow as it leads to a sending off but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t warrant action.

Calling the ref to the big screen is an illusion…? I’ve seen a good few refs stick with their original decision.

Wow! I’ve read some long winded rubbish in here but… anyway, wow!

Yes, yellow cards are almost certainly more subjective. That isn't to say ALL yellow cards are. Kicking the ball away, sarcastically clapping a ref, waving an imaginary card, etc are all definitive yellow cards.

But yellow cards for challenges are clearly more subjective. A straight red is something that has to meet a certain high threshold, and anything beyond that is still a straight red. Yet we see how subjective that can be. Whereas yellow cards are for anything below a red. Some referees give them out like confetti. Any sort of innocent mistimed challenge could be given a yellow. Whereas other referees are extremely lenient, to a point. May I also remind you the amount of times that a referee will not give out a yellow card to an incident very early in the game, but if it is much deeper into the game, will immediately brandish a yellow. They are not just given out for the incident in isolation, but can also be used by referees to control the players in the game. Some happy to let things fly early on, but willing to give out yellows to calm players down later on.

There must also be significantly more yellows than reds, so these sorts of decisions could potentially have to be made much more frequently (if indeed VAR will look at first yellows as well)

We've talked for days on specific incidents in here about whether an incident should have been a red card or not, many times not everyone agrees. If we had the discussions on justifying yellow cards, it would be endless. Someone will be crying out that a player didn't get a yellow card, even though another player got a yellow the week before for some sort of incredibly tame offence.