The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

I can sort out VAR, it's easy. The team sitting behind monitors have 15 seconds each and they all (separately) watch the incident from a different angle. They then press a button and the majority wins. If you cannot make a decision after 15 seconds then it's not clear or obvious and the on field decision stands.

I like this in theory. But even if VAR takes 5 minutes, the team that suffers will often complain. If they only get 15 seconds, they'll be accused of not thoroughly checking for a mistake. I think that was an issue with one of the earlier big mistakes a season or two ago. The officials were a bit too hasty in the process, and got the wrong answer.

However, last night was far too long, and I just don't understand why. As fans, we seemed to be looking at a still image of the offside for about 2 or 3 minutes (and that was after VAR had already started looking at it before we did). We all had time to type comments on this forum, before VAR had even asked the ref to the screen. I think they had determined he was offside relatively quickly, but they then seeemd to talk for ages and ages about whether he is interfering. Either they are happy that Haaland is interfering and get the ref over to screen ASAP. Whereas if they have to discuss for ages if he is interfering, it suggests there is an argument he is NOT interfering. So, you just need to say "there is a good chance the keeper or defender where not going to stop that goal, we'll stick with onfield decsiion". But instead they spent a good chunk of the time convincing themselves there could be an argument he is interfering, even if the chance he was interfering was small. That is rubbish.

 

[RichA]

My problem with VAR is that the frame rate is standard 60 Hz. In 1 60th of a second a player can travel 6 inches. If the attacker and defender are moving in opposite directions then there is a potential room for error of 12 inches between frames.
The lines they use shouldn’t be thin. They should be the equivalent of a foot wide on the pitch and fuzzy. As it stands the decisions being made aren’t even subjective; they’re just blatant guesswork.

 

[Orikoru]

This is an idea that I have proposed earlier in this thread.

Even better....take 20 blokes off the street at 2pm on a Saturday afternoon, give them £50 for their time, put them in separate cubicles, feed them a beer and telly snacks, let them play video games. Whenever there is an issue that needs reviewing, select 5 of them at random to do exactly what you suggest. None of them know who the other 4 "judges" are, none of them are told what the final outcome is. By keeping them in the dark and them not knowing the outcome and selecting 5 random judges, you will also totally avoid any instances where judges might "not be sure" and think that next time I'll vote the other way to "level things up". Judges that don't vote or don't make up their mind in time are counted as being favourable to the attacking (or team that will benefit from the onfield decision in the case of say a red card review) team

These 20 blokes could do be centrally located and be chosen at any time to review an incident in any game...they are not just allocated to one game.

And make sure you televise it, as that sounds like a Saturday night TV gameshow hosted by Ant and Dec.

 

[Billysboots]

I can sort out VAR, it's easy.

So could I. Just get rid of it.

The fact we still debate it every week confirms what a pile of poo it is, both in terms of how long simple decisions take and also the outcomes themselves, because they are still largely subjective.

I hate it with a passion. It sucks the life out of games for match going fans, and is administered by halfwits.

 

[Tashyboy]

I bit the bullet a few years ago and so glad I did, especially when reading this thread. I still watch the occasional match of the day. I will watch EFL games and the ladies and I am sane enough not to compare. But I have found I am not really bothered. Up to 5 years ago the wife would never have got a look in when football was on the tv. Now if I am watching a game and she comes into the lounge I will switch to something we both interested in. I just don’t miss it

I know quite a few of us have had season tickets for various clubs, some have been to games regularly. Then there are other fans that watch the game on telly.
As a match going fan. VAR was one of the main reasons I stopped going to games. There were other reasons but VAR quite frankly sucked the life and emotion out of football.
Having travelled for 2-3 hours over woodhead in the worst of winters, freezing off me nuts then travelling home. Watching VAR Kill X number of minutes. Quite frankly for the match going fan it was energy sapping and soul destroying. The lack of not knowing what was going on was nothing short of disgraceful. Yet in other sports the info for the crowd is there.
As I have said before, for the fans watching at home, you get to see what they are supposed to be looking for. Last night, 5 minutes and 40 seconds to come to a decision like that.
It’s an honest question, how is that beneficial to the game, fans, players stood around?
If there is one thing that needs to change. Limit the length of time for VAR to make a decision. 1 minute and that’s it. If it is not clear and obvious, it’s not clear and obvious. If the automated system is broken. It’s broken.
VAR in its present guise is turning home based fans away from the game like me and you.

 

[Rlburnside]

I bit the bullet a few years ago and so glad I did, especially when reading this thread. I still watch the occasional match of the day. I will watch EFL games and the ladies and I am sane enough not to compare. But I have found I am not really bothered. Up to 5 years ago the wife would never have got a look in when football was on the tv. Now if I am watching a game and she comes into the lounge I will switch to something we both interested in. I just don’t miss it

That’s very similar to me watched some of last nights game when wife came in switched over to something else.
Just so many things wrong now with football var is only one of them.
I still endure watching Spurs games but that’s about it.

 

[Orikoru]

Spurs v West Ham could be "El Sackico" this weekend I reckon. Losing manager loses his job.

 

[irip]

I know quite a few of us have had season tickets for various clubs, some have been to games regularly. Then there are other fans that watch the game on telly.
As a match going fan. VAR was one of the main reasons I stopped going to games. There were other reasons but VAR quite frankly sucked the life and emotion out of football.
Having travelled for 2-3 hours over woodhead in the worst of winters, freezing off me nuts then travelling home. Watching VAR Kill X number of minutes. Quite frankly for the match going fan it was energy sapping and soul destroying. The lack of not knowing what was going on was nothing short of disgraceful. Yet in other sports the info for the crowd is there.
As I have said before, for the fans watching at home, you get to see what they are supposed to be looking for. Last night, 5 minutes and 40 seconds to come to a decision like that.
It’s an honest question, how is that beneficial to the game, fans, players stood around?
If there is one thing that needs to change. Limit the length of time for VAR to make a decision. 1 minute and that’s it. If it is not clear and obvious, it’s not clear and obvious. If the automated system is broken. It’s broken.
VAR in its present guise is turning home based fans away from the game like me and you.

The thing is Tash the clubs don’t need match going fans anymore. They have so much money pouring in from other sources that your contribution is not worth anything.
Of course the tv companies want packed out grounds but can see in the future tickets for top flight games being given away just to create an atmosphere

 

[Neilds]

That’s very similar to me watched some of last nights game when wife came in switched over to something else.
Just so many things wrong now with football var is only one of them.
I still endure watching Spurs games but that’s about it.

If you want to be put off watching football, just look for the Huddersfield v Rotherham game last night in the Vertu Trophy. Can't see Rotherham staying up if they carry on like that in the league - 6 losses on the bounce and away at 5th place Stockport at the weekend doesn't bode well for a change in fortunes.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

If you want to be put off watching football, just look for the Huddersfield v Rotherham game last night in the Vertu Trophy. Can't see Rotherham staying up if they carry on like that in the league - 6 losses on the bounce and away at 5th place Stockport at the weekend doesn't bode well for a change in fortunes.

It dos look bad for you not been great form or football in recent weeks. Is there anything you can see that will reverse the fortunes or is it the injuries taking its toll

 

[Neilds]

It dos look bad for you not been great form or football in recent weeks. Is there anything you can see that will reverse the fortunes or is it the injuries taking its toll

Nothing that 5-6 loan signings in the transfer window won't solve

We have been hit badly by injuries but also think the manager is a bit out of his depth, 1st job in management and think he is struggling.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Nothing that 5-6 loan signings in the transfer window won't solve

We have been hit badly by injuries but also think the manager is a bit out of his depth, 1st job in management and think he is struggling.

That’s a big ask best get ready for league 2 now then

You had loads out when we played you, regarding managers wasn’t convinced we we took your old boss but he’s definitely winning me over

 

[Neilds]

That’s a big ask best get ready for league 2 now then

You had loads out when we played you, regarding managers wasn’t convinced we we took your old boss but he’s definitely winning me over

Typical that a failure at our place is doing well for you. And Lewis Wing was bang average when on loan with us.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Typical that a failure at our place is doing well for you. And Lewis Wing was bang average when on loan with us.

That’s why I was worried but he’s panning out so far.

Wing has been bloody brilliant for maybe people just prefer being in the Royal county rather than up north

 

[4LEX]

Why are you trying to compare us to other clubs, other clubs that do not necessarily set the perfect standard themselves. Chelsea have been widely condemned as a circus as well, and Real Madrid have been mocked a fair bit recently.

Man Utd tend to keep their managers for a longer period, and actually give them a bit of time to see what they can do. With so many other good teams in theleague, it is ridiculous to think any manager can just come in, and suddenly make Man Utd better than teams that are, quite simple, better than Man Utd right now. It is an insult to other clubs to think that one man can just make Man Utd by-pass them. Sure, once a manager does finally gget sacked, then obviously you can say he was there too long (theoretically, might as well sacked him after his first day, if you knew in hindsight he was going to get sacked in the future). And Amorim wasn't sacked for his poor performances, he was sacked because he fell out with the board. Had that not happened, there was still a belief he could start to see improvements in the coming year or two, as it became clearer and clearer where the gaping holes in the squad were.

Ole would have been an embarassing choice, in my opinion. The next time we sack a full time manager, who would you suggest comes in as a caretaker? Amorim? Ten Hag? Ole had his chance, and by the end things were very very poor. It is why he got sacked, and most fans were ready for the change when that decision was made.

I hope you are right with Top 5, although I'll personally remain cautions in any predictions. I reckon we could finish anywhere between 5th and 17th. A couple of wins can give you a huge leap up the table, a couple of losses and you are falling backwards just as quickly.

Real might well have been mocked recently but they win major trophies on a yearly basis. They hired probably the highest rated young manager in the world in the summer and despite being second in the table, only 4 points off top and still in the CL they have bombed him out. It might well be a bad move long term but they've got standards and don't accept even getting beat in head to heads with Barca. Those standards and pressure drives the club to success. The idea they get someone in who finishes 14th and then gives them £200m to spend is bonkers but that's normal at Man Utd now.

For years I put Man Utd on a par with Real, Barca and Bayern as genuine superclubs. None of those clubs or their fanbases would accept anything close to what Man Utd fans have accepted over the last decade. The fans themselves have to share the blame for letting the owners degrade the club IMO. That's not just a dig, it's also a compliment of the loyal support but the same thing will keep on happening unless the fans step up and demand more.

You can't compare Ole to other managers as he was a club legend and that carries a lot of weight.

The only thing with Carrick is you can't ask for two tougher games really, it might've been better to get them out of the way before making the announcement.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

So second semi final. They’ve gone and done it again after 6 mins, 1 corner = 1 goal already. The keeper just absolutely flapping at it !

 

[clubchamp98]

So second semi final. They’ve gone and done it again after 6 mins, 1 corner = 1 goal already. The keeper just absolutely flapping at it !

He’s very much offside like Haaland last night.
But the defender isn’t looking at the ball.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

He’s very much offside like Haaland last night.
But the defender isn’t looking at the ball.

Don’t you love this consistent approach

 

[nickjdavis]

He’s very much offside like Haaland last night.
But the defender isn’t looking at the ball.

Imagine if he was...and tried to swing his boot at the ball...would of had to be disallowed.

Players sometimes only have themselves to blame when they focus on the man and not the pigs bladder.

 

[nickjdavis]

Did the co-commentator really say what I think I just heard?

...that some players, mainly foreigners, aren't aware of the rule where you will get booked for telling the ref to book another player.