AmandaJR
Money List Winner
Yeah. Just made me mad and sad in equal measure.
Yeah. Just made me mad and sad in equal measure.
AmandaJR
Money List Winner
I'm so close to doing just that, which saddens me.
irip
Head Pro
To be fair what I have seen of Dalot then Barry White would be an upgradeIt certainly rules out Man Utd signing Ben White as a replacement for Dalot
anotherdouble
Journeyman Pro
I bit the bullet a few years ago and so glad I did, especially when reading this thread. I still watch the occasional match of the day. I will watch EFL games and the ladies and I am sane enough not to compare. But I have found I am not really bothered. Up to 5 years ago the wife would never have got a look in when football was on the tv. Now if I am watching a game and she comes into the lounge I will switch to something we both interested in. I just don’t miss it
PaulMdj
Well-known member
I thought it was a good game, some spicy challenges, some good football. And to say it was a League/ Carabao cup game.Both teams wanted it. I was a bit surprised with Pope as he looked a bit iffy at times. The first goal at the Etihad is all important.
A rule I thought Odd. Semenyo playing even though he has already played for Bournemouth
Rule changed this season, players can play for a maximum of 2 Clubs in a competition.
Was discussed by Eddie Howe in his pre-match press conference, he said he was surprised and didn’t know about it.
However, it was Clubs who voted to agree to the change pre-season.
PaulMdj
Well-known member
One it was determined there was only 1 player between Haarland and the goal line when Semenyo touched it, the Ref was sent to the monitor to decide if Haarland was interfering with play, ie, a subjective decision!It has just been explained why Haaland was offside. Everyone is looking at the line between Haaland and the defender. However the line is between Haaland and Pope as Pope was in front of the defender. And by the letter of the law. Haaland is offside. Another However, the automated VAR line was broke so they had to do it by hand.
Now what did me re Pope playing Haaland offside. Pope made an attempt to get the ball.He misses, but inadvertently plays Haaland offside. So is Pope not interfering with play
The other point raised was. If Haaland was offside due to the ruling of Pope playing him offside and not the defender. Why was that not passed onto the crowd or tv.
He decided the defender would of got the ball had Haarland not been there.
Fair enough, but surely if Haarland isn’t there then the defender wouldn’t be there either as he’d be marking Haarland.
One it was determined there was only 1 player between Haarland and the goal line when Semenyo touched it, the Ref was sent to the monitor to decide if Haarland was interfering with play, ie, a subjective decision!
He decided the defender would of got the ball had Haarland not been there.
Fair enough, but surely if Haarland isn’t there then the defender wouldn’t be there either as he’d be marking Haarland.
Your last point is a guess. The defender may still have been there as the defender who was originally on the post moving forward. Mine’s a guess too. The VAR & the ref made the decision on what was there, not what might have been.
Personally, I thought it was a harsh decision but I understand why it was made and don’t disagree with it.
PaulMdj
Well-known member
That’s not what we were told last night, Sky said the PGMOL statement was the Ref was called to the monitor to make a subjective decision as to whether Haarland was interfering with play as he was in an offside position.
I agree he was in an offside position, but the subjective side is surely just a guess by anyone.
If they’d of said Offside…end of. No issues.
But making it whataboutery is daft.
Bit more whataboutery for you, if you see the video again, ignore the ball and watch the Man City player in the background get pulled to the ground!
Why didn’t VAR pick that up and say goal was offside, but a foul in the box before Semenyo touched it and therefore recommend a pen.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Who is Haarland? Is he a decent player? 
Swango1980
Well-known member
I would love to see the authorities scrap VAR for a single season. Just to test out manager and fan opinions after that year is out. Then decide if it should be brought back or not.
The advantages will be that decisions will be immediate, and fans and players can act with passion in the moment. And there will be no expectations that every single decision should have a black and white answer.
The negatives will be there will be some horrific onfield decisions that will cost clubs dearly. The vast majority of VAR decisions, including offside, are correct. We don't really talk about those. It'll be the one decision in a game or at a weekend that is wrong. Often those decisions are actually subjective but we'll crucify it if we don't agree, cry "clear and obvious" and moan about the time taken. Occasionally there is a VAR howler that we all agree was wrong.
The advantages will be that decisions will be immediate, and fans and players can act with passion in the moment. And there will be no expectations that every single decision should have a black and white answer.
The negatives will be there will be some horrific onfield decisions that will cost clubs dearly. The vast majority of VAR decisions, including offside, are correct. We don't really talk about those. It'll be the one decision in a game or at a weekend that is wrong. Often those decisions are actually subjective but we'll crucify it if we don't agree, cry "clear and obvious" and moan about the time taken. Occasionally there is a VAR howler that we all agree was wrong.
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road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
I can sort out VAR, it's easy. The team sitting behind monitors have 15 seconds each and they all (separately) watch the incident from a different angle. They then press a button and the majority wins. If you cannot make a decision after 15 seconds then it's not clear or obvious and the on field decision stands.
Tashyboy
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If the automated var is broke like last night, you can bet your bottom drawer the stopwatch would be broke as well
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Exactly the same for me. I haven't watched a full match in a couple of years now I don't think. I look up the scores, more for Fantasy League reasons than anything else. I'll have a look at the highlights of the Spurs game sometimes. (If there are any
) That's about it. The idea of putting a football match on for two hours just leaves me feeling cold.
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
They don’t even need to scrap it for a season to prove it. Look at how well games flow in the EFL without it, look at how well run the FA cup games were with referees making their own decisions.
The evidence is already there!
Swango1980
Well-known member
Yes, but that is nothing to do with VAR. You support SpursExactly the same for me. I haven't watched a full match in a couple of years now I don't think. I look up the scores, more for Fantasy League reasons than anything else. I'll have a look at the highlights of the Spurs game sometimes. (If there are any
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Bit of column A, bit of column B.Yes, but that is nothing to do with VAR. You support Spurs
Swango1980
Well-known member
I agree. But much lower profile leagues like the EFL, or isolated weekends like the FA Cup, it can be difficult to truly appreciate the differences. I bet there are some horror decisions in the FA Cup, but in lower profile games than the few televised big ones. I feel a full season, or even perhaps a few months, get rid of VAR. Let fans get used to no VAR (I'd say most people who talk about VAR controversies watch very little to no EFL football), give enough time where there is bound to be a horror mistake by a referee in a big game at some point, and then see what people think.
The other difference between the PL and EFL is that if a mistake is made in the EFL, match going fans may moan about it, but it will never be discussed in the media at all, or at any length. Match going fans might not even see the highlights of it, so perhaps few will realise the injustice of it. In the PL, they'll show the match live, spend an hour after the game talking about it, showing about 10 camera angles. We'll add 10 pages on this forum talking about it. It'll be on the footballing podcasts, and TalkSport will get every host and guest to discuss it for the next 7 days, 24/7. With no VAR, they'll just discuss how garbage the onfield ref was, and how VAR would have fixed the mistake.
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
That last sentence is why it will never happen. It should be scrapped as it has proved progress isn’t always successful as its max the standard worse. But remove it and what are you left with a complete mess.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
This is an idea that I have proposed earlier in this thread.
Even better....take 20 blokes off the street at 2pm on a Saturday afternoon, give them £50 for their time, put them in separate cubicles, feed them a beer and telly snacks, let them play video games. Whenever there is an issue that needs reviewing, select 5 of them at random to do exactly what you suggest. None of them know who the other 4 "judges" are, none of them are told what the final outcome is. By keeping them in the dark and them not knowing the outcome and selecting 5 random judges, you will also totally avoid any instances where judges might "not be sure" and think that next time I'll vote the other way to "level things up". Judges that don't vote or don't make up their mind in time are counted as being favourable to the attacking (or team that will benefit from the onfield decision in the case of say a red card review) team
These 20 blokes could do be centrally located and be chosen at any time to review an incident in any game...they are not just allocated to one game.
Swango1980
Well-known member
I'm very sure it would never happen, it is just an idealised opinion of what I think would be good to see happen.
Even if I was in charge of everything, I know that as soon as we have no VAR and a team suffers due to a severe onfield mistake, then people would be asking for my head.
