The Footie Thread

[Bunkermagnet]

That’s fair enough and if they considered and ruled it out based on that fair play. My comment wasn’t really aimed at the Liverpool owners more at the opinions some here and elsewhere seem to try to continually push when they wouldn’t accept things themselves. I’ve seen so many Liverpool fans moaning about Slot and how he needs to go but say Glasner isn’t good enough for them but he is for Utd. Equally seen Arsenal fans saying Arteta has to go because he only ever finishes 2nd and they equally wouldn’t take Glasner !

I don't really worry about how other managers are doing, they aren't managing my club. I accept Slot is having a poor season, but then I don't think Klopp would be doing any better in reality.
Changes and evolution takes time, and that can't be altered.

 

[anotherdouble]

That’s fair enough and if they considered and ruled it out based on that fair play. My comment wasn’t really aimed at the Liverpool owners more at the opinions some here and elsewhere seem to try to continually push when they wouldn’t accept things themselves. I’ve seen so many Liverpool fans moaning about Slot and how he needs to go but say Glasner isn’t good enough for them but he is for Utd. Equally seen Arsenal fans saying Arteta has to go because he only ever finishes 2nd and they equally wouldn’t take Glasner !

The fickle supporter of a premier league club

 

[Swango1980]

The Utd way, the West Ham Way. I don’t understand. Paul Scholes recently said Utd don’t play with 3 at the back. It’s 4 4 2 and with wingers. That might have worked with fergie and Utd playing against other teams 4 4 2. But the game has massively evolved.
I think part of the problem at Utd and West Ham is they are stuck in the old ways.

The only thing I see as "The Utd Way" is good attacking football. Perhaps playing exciting youngsters if we have the luxury, and even better if it is winning football.

But the system, to me, is less important. There are dozens of different systems that can be played. At one point, Man Utd played great attacking football with a 4-4-2 formation under Fergie. However, that evolved to 4-3-3 with Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez up front. It wasn't exactly a system using exciting wingers, yet it was possibly the most entertaining brand of football. After all, we did have Ronaldo running up and down both wings AND playing through the middle AND being a goal poacher if needed. What's not to like about that

If Utd had excellent wing backs and strong midfielders who could defend but also play the ball through the lines, in all probability, Amorim's system would be excisting to watch, and it would be deemed the "Utd way". But, we don't. And even if we played a different system with those players, it still probably won't be that exciting. We saw that before Amorim. Too many passengers.

Amorim could probably have got better results had he been more flexible in his approach, appreciating the weakness of the players. Play more defensive, more counter-attacking football. But even if the results were better, it would hardly put on a title challenge. He'd be criticised for playing boring defensive football, and probably still get the sack. That is the dilema for any manager coming to Utd. You've got to play exciting football, but you also need to at least getting into Europe. Further down the league, you will drop a lot of points, and fans will moan about that, no matter how entertaining it was (See 4-4 against Bournemouth). I still think it is several transfer windows, and therefore years, until there is a chance to build a consistent, decent side. Fully see the end of high value assets out on loan, etc. But it seems no manager is going to get barely over a year, before the board bail out on them if they aren't playing excisting football near the top of the table (and that is a lot longer than other clubs give their managers)

 

[irip]

So far there seems to be no manager the fans would like.
Is there a lack of good managers out there at the moment?
If they could get him I think Emory would be a good manager for United at the moment but would he leave Villa?
Any ideas on who will get the caretaker gig?

 

[SteveW86]

Is the Glasner hype train still in full flow? Granted they were briefly 4th in the league a few weeks ago, but the league being as it is - 1 point in their last 5 games has seen them drop to 14th. So not exactly exemplary performance. Like how Iraola's name was floating around a little while ago, but now you never hear it since Bournemouth have slipped to 15th. Who will be the next flavour-of-the-month manager? Le Bris or Andrews perhaps?

Everyone can stay away from Le Bris!

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Hope so. Ticket prices might drop.

Would imagine they’d go up less people in needs others places to be revenue

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

The fickle supporter of a premier league club

Should be a League one supporter we’re happy with anyone we can get
However we’re on a winning roll at the minute long may that continue.

 

[Tashyboy]

Would imagine they’d go up less people in needs others places to be revenue

The sad thing is that I would probably go and watch City now when they are in the FA cup games and the tickets are cheaper.
Again I used to love taking me dad. Lord how he would go down memory lane. Like queuing for tickets for the fa cup final when Bert Trautman broke his neck from 11.30 at night ( he was drunk). Apparently the chips were a lot better when we were at Maine Rd. Not be able to go with him in his condition now.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

So far there seems to be no manager the fans would like.
Is there a lack of good managers out there at the moment?
If they could get him I think Emory would be a good manager for United at the moment but would he leave Villa?
Any ideas on who will get the caretaker gig?

There isn’t a big list of managers that are looking for jobs and the top ones right now are in jobs that are secure


The one person to look out for is Fabregas who is doing a very good job at Como

Nagelsmann will prob be free in the summer

Hurzeler at Brighton
Hoesness at Stuttgart

 

[Arthur Wedge]

All of those names just leave me stone cold. Glasner is probably the best of the bunch, but the rest?

Fletcher is untested at any level, never mind Premier League. And as for the other three? Please, God, no. Southgate’s name gets trotted out whenever the subject of the United job comes up and I’ll say the same now as I have done previously - he has absolutely zero club management pedigree. None.

Maresca played a truly dire brand of football at Leicester and, despite all the plaudits, what has Pochettino done? And Zidane? No. The bloke has been out of management for a long time, and it would help if you could speak the language at the very least.

I have absolutely no idea where the club goes next. I’m up for the Brighton game on Sunday - I’ll be really interested to see what the atmosphere is like because, regardless of what armchair critics say, the match going fans have a real affinity with Amorim, and I think many will be really disappointed with how this has panned out.

Anyone that gets Spurs to a CL final must be a miracle worker

 

[irip]

There isn’t a big list of managers that are looking for jobs and the top ones right now are in jobs that are secure


The one person to look out for is Fabregas who is doing a very good job at Como

Nagelsmann will prob be free in the summer

Hurzeler at Brighton
Hoesness at Stuttgart

A lot of managers doing well at the moment but as mentioned before that can change quickly.

No obvious pick in my eyes that everyone seems to go yeah that’s the man for the job.

Going to be an interesting decision when it’s made whoever it is.

 

[Swango1980]

So far there seems to be no manager the fans would like.
Is there a lack of good managers out there at the moment?
If they could get him I think Emory would be a good manager for United at the moment but would he leave Villa?
Any ideas on who will get the caretaker gig?

This is the problem. Often a manager is sacked when it is clear the fans want him gone and/or the players have lost faith in him. However, it doesn't seem these scenarios have yet been reached. Despite there being criticism in some areas, Amorim did seem to have the general support of fans and players. It is the board and transfer policy that was under more scrutiny. The problem now will be that there will not be a lot of excitement that a "bad" manager has gone, and a new manager will bring instant improvements. Ole benefitted because everyone, including players, had grown tired of Mourinho. I struggle to see a new manager getting such a lift in performances, unless that are either amazing, or just very lucky to have results go their way.

I heard that Amorim may have already been told his time was coming to an end before the Leeds game, which prompted his interview afterwards. No idea if this is true, probably based on zero solid information from within the club. But it could be a feasible explanation, something has happened between him and the boardin the last week or two. Probably had a falling out when the board told him they were not going to spend money on the type of players he thinks he needs.

Assuming they don't have a permanent manager lined up, and they don;t have many options to pick from in the next few weeks, I don't think it would be a bad idea to offer Carrick a short-term contract at least. I've no idea how well he is respected as I didn't follow Middlesbrough, but he does have managerial experience, is a calm influence, knows the club, and I think he has at least done well at times in his managerial career?

Ohhh, what the heck. Just get Roy Keane in and see what happens. His managerial press conferences would be gold.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

A lot of managers doing well at the moment but as mentioned before that can change quickly.

No obvious pick in my eyes that everyone seems to go yeah that’s the man for the job.

Going to be an interesting decision when it’s made whoever it is.

That’s the pitfalls of management

Imo Man Utd need to get someone in to build a foundation again

someone like Pochettino or De Zerbi - managers used to the Prem

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

A lot of managers doing well at the moment but as mentioned before that can change quickly.

No obvious pick in my eyes that everyone seems to go yeah that’s the man for the job.

Going to be an interesting decision when it’s made whoever it is.

I think it’s probably the hardest it’s ever been to find real top class managers especially as Utd from the Outside as a manager must look so tainted which is a shame.

Some interesting names in the odds I’m not seeing mentioned among fans though Xavi is just 10/1, Marco Silver and Andoni Ireola at 14/1. I think Ireola has done wonders at Bournemouth and seems very good at coaching players and getting the best out of them but could he deal
With all the back room issues.

Ultimately the next manager has to be given time to build Something and not used as another scape goat.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

So far there seems to be no manager the fans would like.
Is there a lack of good managers out there at the moment?
If they could get him I think Emory would be a good manager for United at the moment but would he leave Villa?
Any ideas on who will get the caretaker gig?

There are always good managers out there. Sometimes you need to look creatively, sometimes the really good ones are already in big jobs and aren't available. Amazing how many want a manager with 5 league titles and 3 champions League trophies to their name, and expect them to be sat around waiting for a phone call.

If you are not going for the obvious ones, it's where the DoF earns their money. Who could be ideal but is going slightly under the radar at the moment?

 

[irip]

There are always good managers out there. Sometimes you need to look creatively, sometimes the really good ones are already in big jobs and aren't available. Amazing how many want a manager with 5 league titles and 3 champions League trophies to their name, and expect them to be sat around waiting for a phone call.

If you are not going for the obvious ones, it's where the DoF earns their money. Who could be ideal but is going slightly under the radar at the moment?

I suppose it also depends on what the board want.
Maybe they are looking for a yes man whose only job is to coach the players he is given. Toes the line and knows his place.

 

[Swango1980]

I suppose it also depends on what the board want.
Maybe they are looking for a yes man whose only job is to coach the players he is given. Toes the line and knows his place.

Which makes me worry that Southgate or Potter may be high priorities

 

[irip]

Which makes me worry that Southgate or Potter may be high priorities

They might be what is needed. I have seen no better obvious names crop up.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

There are always good managers out there. Sometimes you need to look creatively, sometimes the really good ones are already in big jobs and aren't available. Amazing how many want a manager with 5 league titles and 3 champions League trophies to their name, and expect them to be sat around waiting for a phone call.

If you are not going for the obvious ones, it's where the DoF earns their money. Who could be ideal but is going slightly under the radar at the moment?

Well Zidane with 2 titles and 3 CL is sat around at the moment

But realistically Man Utd are a huge club but at the moment aren’t an attractive club for a top manager

Needs a lot of work done to get it back to a level where the likes of Flick , or Enrique etc may well be ok leaving other huge clubs to go to Man Utd

 

[Billysboots]

I suppose it also depends on what the board want.
Maybe they are looking for a yes man whose only job is to coach the players he is given. Toes the line and knows his place.

That’s not the way to run a proper football club if you want success on the pitch.