The Footie Thread

[clubchamp98]

Is the shout of Bellingham being world class an over exaggeration? Sure, I agree the start of his career went really well, and he has done well in Madrid (albeit in a league, everyone also says most of the other teams are Mickey Mouse, so I guess it depends on what argument youy want to make).

Yes, he is a good player, and has the potential to be excellent. But, from memory, England were so boring in their last major tournament, despite getting to final. I don't remember Bellingham playing well at all, generally. He was extremely quiet, apart from the one moment where he scored the overhead kick to beat Slovakia.

To me, Bellingham showed huge promise at the very start of his England career. I thought he would quickly become the worlds best player. But, over the last 2 or 3 years, he hasn't really impressed me at all when playing for England. Perhaps this is why Tuchel could actually be a very good manager for England. A lot of English people might have a level of bias towards certain high profile player, over inflate their ability, and thus find it almost impossible to drop them, simply due to their reputation. Whereas Tuchel, not being English, might not really care about all that hype. And he'll just drop a high profile player if he thiks they are before getting into any habit of just picking players by how famous they are in the early days, and getting used to it.

It’s a nice problem to have three quality players for places.
Tuchel is no mug and will sort it out.

Every team needs a worker doing the hard yards this is Wharton or Anderson one of them is first on the sheet for me.

 

[Orikoru]

All he has to do now is change his name to Roberto Eduardo and he's all set.

 

[Tashyboy]

Not sure why the English generally always see arrogance as a bad thing. All the greatest footballers in recent history have had it, it pretty much.

So has Sancho, Sturridge and others and they were not the greatest.

Bellingham not acknowledging his manager who took him off for the right reasons is showing ignorance not arrogance.

 

[Tashyboy]

Whatever one’s thoughts about Bellingham, he is replaceable and that is a happy problem for Tuchel to have. There is a couple of players in Foden and Palmer that can and will do the same job. And probably just as good. But Tuchel now has another system where Wharton and Anderson are holding a midfield together alongside Rice. Wharton and Anderson have the bit between the teeth, they want to go to the World Cup. Bellingham expects to go to the World Cup. And for me there’s the difference. If Bellingham don’t go. Would we really notice. If Rice don’t go, I think we would.
We can wax lyrical all day about England scoring goals, but to concede no goals in 8 qualifying games is nothing short of excellent. That is with two players protecting a back four which are allowed to get forward down the wings. That is what will get England moving in the right direction. Not Bellingham.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Whatever one’s thoughts about Bellingham, he is replaceable and that is a happy problem for Tuchel to have. There is a couple of players in Foden and Palmer that can and will do the same job. And probably just as good. But Tuchel now has another system where Wharton and Anderson are holding a midfield together alongside Rice. Wharton and Anderson have the bit between the teeth, they want to go to the World Cup. Bellingham expects to go to the World Cup. And for me there’s the difference. If Bellingham don’t go. Would we really notice. If Rice don’t go, I think we would.
We can wax lyrical all day about England scoring goals, but to concede no goals in 8 qualifying games is nothing short of excellent. That is with two players protecting a back four which are allowed to get forward down the wings. That is what will get England moving in the right direction. Not Bellingham.

Foden hasn’t done it in an England shirt

He hasn’t started Wharton and Anderson together with Rice

It’s been Anderson with Rice and a Ten either Rogers or Bellingham

When Wharton has started Anderson replaced him and vice versa

When did they play with two protecting the back 4 and rice ?

All through the qualifying they have had one player as the guy in the 6 role

 

[Slime]

I was not excited when England appointed Tuchel as manager, but, the more I listen to him, the more I'm beginning to really warm to him.
Anyone else feel the same?

 

[Neilds]

Has Bellingham 'done it' in an England shirt? Just looking at basic stats (goals scored) he is scoring just about every other game for Real Madrid (30 goals in 67 games) but for England he only has 6 goals in 46 games. This is hardly World Class form. You could also argue that he is playing against better teams in Spain than some of the teams that England have faced in the qualifiers.

 

[irip]

I was not excited when England appointed Tuchel as manager, but, the more I listen to him, the more I'm beginning to really warm to him.
Anyone else feel the same?

Yeah definitely. It’s refreshing that he wants to play a certain system he thinks is best and the players he picks will fit that system.

Previously it’s been pick the best players then shoehorn them into positions they don’t normally play and hope it works out.

 

[Orikoru]

Never mind Bellingham anyway, who the heck is our best left back these days?? The days of Shaw and Chilwell seem a distant memory, now it's O'Reilly or Lewis-Skelly, a couple of youngsters who aren't first choice at their clubs?? What's happened here? Or should it be Lewis Hall? Spence even though he's righty? Has Tyrick Mitchell been given a chance? This seems to be least nailed-down and most up-for-grabs spot in the team right now.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I was not excited when England appointed Tuchel as manager, but, the more I listen to him, the more I'm beginning to really warm to him.
Anyone else feel the same?

I was possibly the opposite I was happy with his appointment as we were going from someone that only knew one way to play and not how to change what we’re doing. We appointed a manager that has always shown to be tactically good, with know how of how to compete in big tournaments at the very top level. He’s a manager that has managed some of the biggest egos and expectations in world football. I was always quietly confident he would make us a good team regardless of who starts and that is what’s important at international level.

I’m happy my thoughts are being shown and that he puts the team before anything and sets up each game in a way that maximises performance and change of winning rather than what we had of the same XI in the same way and hope to nick it.

 

[irip]

Never mind Bellingham anyway, who the heck is our best left back these days?? The days of Shaw and Chilwell seem a distant memory, now it's O'Reilly or Lewis-Skelly, a couple of youngsters who aren't first choice at their clubs?? What's happened here? Or should it be Lewis Hall? Spence even though he's righty? Has Tyrick Mitchell been given a chance? This seems to be least nailed-down and most up-for-grabs spot in the team right now.

I agree also chuck Rico Lewis in there.
I don’t think it’s a case of not having any it’s more a case of who is fit and playing regularly.
Loads you could put up for the spot and to be fair Luke Shaw has started the season well.
Maybe Trent can play there as can’t see him getting in anywhere else

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Never mind Bellingham anyway, who the heck is our best left back these days?? The days of Shaw and Chilwell seem a distant memory, now it's O'Reilly or Lewis-Skelly, a couple of youngsters who aren't first choice at their clubs?? What's happened here? Or should it be Lewis Hall? Spence even though he's righty? Has Tyrick Mitchell been given a chance? This seems to be least nailed-down and most up-for-grabs spot in the team right now.

Hard to judge O’Reilly player the last 2 games as he has been playing and starting for City, MLS was getting the same chances when he was starting at Arsenal. Tuchel has made it obvious if you start for your club and play regularly you get the chance to play for England, if you don’t then you don’t make the team.

Personally our best full backs are probably Spence, Livramento, MLS and O‘Reilly. Still think our best RB is Ben White but that’s a different story . End of the day I don’t care whose best in what position as long as he picks the team that wins.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I agree also chuck Rico Lewis in there.
I don’t think it’s a case of not having any it’s more a case of who is fit and playing regularly.
Loads you could put up for the spot and to be fair Luke Shaw has started the season well.
Maybe Trent can play there as can’t see him getting in anywhere else

Well he does play for Real Madrid why’s he not first name on the team sheet

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Has Bellingham 'done it' in an England shirt? Just looking at basic stats (goals scored) he is scoring just about every other game for Real Madrid (30 goals in 67 games) but for England he only has 6 goals in 46 games. This is hardly World Class form. You could also argue that he is playing against better teams in Spain than some of the teams that England have faced in the qualifiers.

If you are a striker then it’s always worth looking at pure stats of how many goals someone scores - he isn’t a striker

For Madrid when he first went there he played a lot as a false 9 hence why he scored more , as Mbappe has come into it more he has dropped a little deeper

Bellingham also has 14 assists for England and plays a little deeper

 

[irip]

I was possibly the opposite I was happy with his appointment as we were going from someone that only knew one way to play and not how to change what we’re doing. We appointed a manager that has always shown to be tactically good, with know how of how to compete in big tournaments at the very top level. He’s a manager that has managed some of the biggest egos and expectations in world football. I was always quietly confident he would make us a good team regardless of who starts and that is what’s important at international level.

I’m happy my thoughts are being shown and that he puts the team before anything and sets up each game in a way that maximises performance and change of winning rather than what we had of the same XI in the same way and hope to nick it.

I get what you are saying but I think Southgate deserves a lot of credit for what he did.
I hated the way he played but he got us to 2 Euro finals and a World Cup quarter final (maybe a different manager might of got us over the line).
For me though the biggest thing was he got the players playing together and on the same side as opposed to the club bias we had seen previously and I hope that will be the normal now

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Never mind Bellingham anyway, who the heck is our best left back these days?? The days of Shaw and Chilwell seem a distant memory, now it's O'Reilly or Lewis-Skelly, a couple of youngsters who aren't first choice at their clubs?? What's happened here? Or should it be Lewis Hall? Spence even though he's righty? Has Tyrick Mitchell been given a chance? This seems to be least nailed-down and most up-for-grabs spot in the team right now.

England for a while have had an issue with left backs , O Reilly played very well there when we played City and looks to have cemented his starting spot for City

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I get what you are saying but I think Southgate deserves a lot of credit for what he did.
I hated the way he played but he got us to 2 Euro finals and a World Cup quarter final (maybe a different manager might of got us over the line).
For me though the biggest thing was he got the players playing together and on the same side as opposed to the club bias we had seen previously and I hope that will be the normal now

I’ve not said he doesn’t deserve credit end of the day 2 finals is a good record. But as soon as we played any decent teams his tactics were found wanting.

I respect what he achieved and how he got the players to be a proper team. But now we have a manager that doesn’t make me think we’re definitely going out as soon as we play any decent teams.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I was not excited when England appointed Tuchel as manager, but, the more I listen to him, the more I'm beginning to really warm to him.
Anyone else feel the same?

The proof as always internationally is how he does in the major tournaments

He has cruised through qualifying but hasn’t beaten a top team yet ( a team in the top 20 ) . He has proven himself at club level though

To add BBC have stated some areas that choices need to be made

Thomas Tuchel: The key questions facing England boss in countdown to World Cup

England head coach Thomas Tuchel now faces key decisions in the countdown to the World Cup, says chief football writer Phil McNulty.

www.bbc.co.uk

Who plays in the ten
Who partners Stones
Who plays left backs
Who is back up to Kane
Who plays LW

 

[Neilds]

If you are a striker then it’s always worth looking at pure stats of how many goals someone scores - he isn’t a striker

For Madrid when he first went there he played a lot as a false 9 hence why he scored more , as Mbappe has come into it more he has dropped a little deeper

Bellingham also has 14 assists for England and plays a little deeper

Who decides what is an assist and what isn't? Bit of a pointless stat imo

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Who decides what is an assist and what isn't? Bit of a pointless stat imo

Well it’s normally the pass that sets up a goal

It’s prob more use than looking at a midfielders scoring record