The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

Not sure where you’re reading that I’ve said they went purely for money unless your trying every which way to spin your narrative as the only correct opinion.

I said they never went to other clubs not because they didn’t say they want to like you’ve pointed out but because they don’t improve their starting XI. That doesn’t take away from them having fantastic seasons last year or them being good players. It simply means what it says they don’t get in ahead of what the other clubs already have or don’t suit their needs as clubs.

But at the same time to stick to your point about money. They have more than doubled their salaries and the transfer fees they commanded (rightly so for their quality) is well above what most other Premier league teams outside of the big clubs can afford. So with Tottenham and Newcastle not bidding other than Utd who is going to be able to afford those transfer fees and salaries.

So if you want to swing it to your narrative I’d love to hear why you think they went , did they go to bigger clubs absolutely and will they have better chance of winning something of course they will and it’s a good career choice but were they ever gonna go to another mid table team for the same wages! Only they know

It was more of a general comment.

The top clubs, competing in Europe this season, will all buy big value signings. I'm sure some of those signings will need to compete for a spot in starting 11. They don't all necessarily just waltz in to 1st 11.

Not saying that every top club would go for the likes of Mbeumo or Cunha, as different clubs will have different priorities. But, I'm saying that in all probability, there would be at least some of them that would have happily gone for either of those two if it looked like those players were up for the move. I'm sure other high value attacking midfielders will be signed by top clubs.

Thus, I don't think Utd were their only option at that level of money. Thus, it's irrelevant how their wage at Utd compares to their old clubs. Because their wage would have likely increased by the same amount, if not more, if they'd gone somewhere else

 

[Swango1980]

Looks like Leipzig are in a decent position with Sesko as Newcastle appear desperate to get this one over the line regardless of what is costs them. I’d prefer it if we leave this one to Newcastle and not pay over the odds for another players with loads of potential. Money can be better spent elsewhere (GK/Midfield)

I'm interested to see what Man Utd's play on this one will be.

Newcastle are in a much better position financially, especially as they know they'll get more for Isak

 

[road2ruin]

I'm interested to see what Man Utd's play on this one will be.

Newcastle are in a much better position financially, especially as they know they'll get more for Isak

Apparently there are a select group of clubs that he would be allowed to join even if the financial offer to Liepzig isn’t as great as others who aren’t in this group. United are within this group although not sure how true this is.

Newcastle have resorted to bidding against themselves to try and get this done so I’d be happy to let them have him rather than paying through the nose.

 

[Slime]

For the money, I really hope United give this one a swerve, I'd sooner they get Watkins for about half the price and then go looking for a decent No.6, a far more urgent requirement.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

For the money, I really hope United give this one a swerve, I'd sooner they get Watkins for about half the price and then go looking for a decent No.6, a far more urgent requirement.

The thing with Sesko is he is only 22 , a lot of potential ahead with him , thought he would be a better signing for Arsenal than Gyokores , Watkins coming up to 30

Don’t you have Urgate for the 6

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Not sure where you’re reading that I’ve said they went purely for money unless your trying every which way to spin your narrative as the only correct opinion.

I said they never went to other clubs not because they didn’t say they want to like you’ve pointed out but because they don’t improve their starting XI. That doesn’t take away from them having fantastic seasons last year or them being good players. It simply means what it says they don’t get in ahead of what the other clubs already have or don’t suit their needs as clubs.

But at the same time to stick to your point about money. They have more than doubled their salaries and the transfer fees they commanded (rightly so for their quality) is well above what most other Premier league teams outside of the big clubs can afford. So with Tottenham and Newcastle not bidding other than Utd who is going to be able to afford those transfer fees and salaries.

So if you want to swing it to your narrative I’d love to hear why you think they went , did they go to bigger clubs absolutely and will they have better chance of winning something of course they will and it’s a good career choice but were they ever gonna go to another mid table team for the same wages! Only they know

Think it’s a case of reading into what people are saying more than whah they are

Cunha and Mbeumo are good players who played well last season

They aren’t the players that the CL challenging teams were looking at beyond maybe adding some strength in depth - and those clubs wouldn’t be playing £60mil plus for them

Players move for money and the step up in club - going to Man Utd will give them a step and more money

When we were out of the CL we also had to grab the likes of Mane and Gini from prem clubs , neither were players that top clubs were looking at


But a player will move for money as well - we have just seen Diaz look to leave because we weren’t giving him a bigger contract

 

[Tashyboy]

They will be joining Stockport, Bury, Bolton etc. as they wont get a look in for all the "cheap" foreign young talent hoovered up by City et al.

Sancho joined Dortmund.
Palmer joined Chelsea, as did Delap. They are English.
The list is endless, and so is the money that City have made from the acadamy giving players the opportunity to play at a good level.
But the main point being missed is that football is business, and if it means City continue to hoover up young talent and others don’t. Then City will continue to flourish.

 

[Slime]

The thing with Sesko is he is only 22 , a lot of potential ahead with him , thought he would be a better signing for Arsenal than Gyokores , Watkins coming up to 30

He's not Prem proven and could turn out to be Hojlund 2.0!

Don’t you have Urgate for the 6

Not mobile enough and he's caught in possession too easily.
He's good, just not good enough.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

He's not Prem proven and could turn out to be Hojlund 2.0!



Not mobile enough and he's caught in possession too easily.
He's good, just not good enough.

He is a bit further on than Hojlund and has played well in the CL and international- a lot more mobile

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Whilst we talk about multi million pound transfers and big wages etc it’s shame to see clubs like Morecombe and Sheff Wed in so much trouble because of owners

Morecambe suspension: Fans and staff tell true story of financial crisis

The BBC visits Morecambe to hear how local people are handling their club's deepening financial crisis

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Billysboots]

Bottom line, the only people who know for sure why Cunha and Mbeumo went to United are the players and those closest to them, and by that I mean their families. Perhaps not even agents know the full rationale.

As for their salaries? Again, the players, their legal advisors and those involved in the negotiations will know. And their bank managers will have a decent idea. The rest of us know nothing.

And finally, the same goes for any interest from other clubs. None of us here know what interest there may have been. Even the press can only speculate.

So really, it’s all pie in the sky. And no amount of back and forth here will change any of it.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

He's not Prem proven and could turn out to be Hojlund 2.0!



Not mobile enough and he's caught in possession too easily.
He's good, just not good enough.

And when it comes to Urgate - there was a reason why PSG let him go so quickly , and yep his lack of mobility is key

Over the last couple of years the 6 role has moved on from just being some bruiser kicking people etc - the likes of Rodri , Caicedo and Gravenburch are very mobile as well as being great on the ball

Surprised someone hasn’t look at Wharton

 

[Billysboots]

Not mobile enough and he's caught in possession too easily.
He's good, just not good enough.

He had an absolute stinker against Everton on Sunday. I’m trying really hard to like him, but his United career to date has not hit the levels required consistently enough.

 

[nickjdavis]

Apparently there are a select group of clubs that he would be allowed to join even if the financial offer to Liepzig isn’t as great as others who aren’t in this group. United are within this group although not sure how true this is.

Newcastle have resorted to bidding against themselves to try and get this done so I’d be happy to let them have him rather than paying through the nose.

Well no...our original bid (which matched Leipzig's demands) was rejected...so we have gone back with an improved offer.

 

[Swango1980]

Bottom line, the only people who know for sure why Cunha and Mbeumo went to United are the players and those closest to them, and by that I mean their families. Perhaps not even agents know the full rationale.

As for their salaries? Again, the players, their legal advisors and those involved in the negotiations will know. And their bank managers will have a decent idea. The rest of us know nothing.

And finally, the same goes for any interest from other clubs. None of us here know what interest there may have been. Even the press can only speculate.

So really, it’s all pie in the sky. And no amount of back and forth here will change any of it.

I'm sure most clubs will know early on if a player is interested in joining them. Or, if a club is interested in a player, they'll put some early feelers out there. If it looks like that player doesn't want to join their club, but has their heart elsewhere, then the club will never join the race in the first place. For all we know, there could have been dozens of top clubs all around Europe making enquiries about players doing brilliantly in the PL last season, and 90%+ of those clubs never proceeded any further than those initial unofficial enquiries.

 

[Swango1980]

Just saw the recent Overlap's episode with Daniel Levy. Personally, with no skin in what Spurs do, I found it very enlightening. Spurs have been very stable club for many number of years, usually up towards the top end of the PL (last season being a really bad one, league wise). Have an excellent stadium. OK, they will have always struggled to compete directly with clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd financially due to their profile, or Man City and Chelsea due to their ownership models.

To me, Levy seems like a man proud of what he has achieved at Spurs, but also very frustrated that he has never managed to see Spurs at the very top, or winning lots of trophies. Would other owners, that can't just bankroll the club with their own money, have found it easy to do a better job? If it was that easy, is there any reason why owners at Everton, West Ham, Leeds, etc have not taken their clubs to a better consistent level than Spurs over the years?

Every owner will have their faults. From the outside, I don't think Levy is all that bad. He might actually have taken Spurs to a position that would not have been reached by many other owners. But I realised that there will be many Spurs fans that, regardless of what he said or did on The Overlap, they would continue to tear him apart anyway.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I suspect one of Levy's failings, looking from the outside, is a failure to communicate well with the fans. If the people in charge speak to fans, in the way he has here, they can often diffuse unrest by simply explaining what they are trying to do, the thought process. Not everything will work, but if you explain why you are doing something, and it makes sense, fans buy into it. An information vacuum is often the problem.

 

[Orikoru]

Just saw the recent Overlap's episode with Daniel Levy. Personally, with no skin in what Spurs do, I found it very enlightening. Spurs have been very stable club for many number of years, usually up towards the top end of the PL (last season being a really bad one, league wise). Have an excellent stadium. OK, they will have always struggled to compete directly with clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd financially due to their profile, or Man City and Chelsea due to their ownership models.

To me, Levy seems like a man proud of what he has achieved at Spurs, but also very frustrated that he has never managed to see Spurs at the very top, or winning lots of trophies. Would other owners, that can't just bankroll the club with their own money, have found it easy to do a better job? If it was that easy, is there any reason why owners at Everton, West Ham, Leeds, etc have not taken their clubs to a better consistent level than Spurs over the years?

Every owner will have their faults. From the outside, I don't think Levy is all that bad. He might actually have taken Spurs to a position that would not have been reached by many other owners. But I realised that there will be many Spurs fans that, regardless of what he said or did on The Overlap, they would continue to tear him apart anyway.

Personally I think he's done a good job. Rather than gamble big money on instant success, he's seemingly built us to a point of something that looks sustainable. Unfortunately without as many trophies as he would have liked, but I think that sustainability was the first priority. For two or three seasons we had a team as good as anybody in England, that was the time when one or two shrewd additions could have seen us to get to the top, but we didn't quite get it right. We also did superbly with players like Alderweirald, Eriksen, Son etc who weren't very expensive by modern standards and massively outperformed their fees. Those sort of players are hard to come by consistently though. Of course Kane was a huge part of it as well, not often you have a player come through the academy and become one of your very best players of all time.

I think last season was an anomaly due to the Ange effect, and we'll be back in the top half this season. Potentially top 8. If we're losing Son and now Maddison though, I would like to see a big name attacker brought in. Grealish would make sense...

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Spurs and Levy suffer from a bit of Arsenals - the expectation that they should be challenging and winning the biggest competitions based on spending and building a massive new stadium but as with many other clubs they don’t have the right people in the right places away from the pitch

Many clubs have lots of money floating around but you still need to spend it well and buy the right players

A club needs to get the right manager to work with those players

Levy at times has just hired and fired at will

They were building under Pochettino but during a poor period binned him out , sacked Mourinho just before a cup final

They have had 5 managers since they sacked Pochettino in 2019

A club won’t be successful if they don’t ever allow someone to build and some owners never have the paitence to allow that to happen

 

[clubchamp98]

Bottom line, the only people who know for sure why Cunha and Mbeumo went to United are the players and those closest to them, and by that I mean their families. Perhaps not even agents know the full rationale.

As for their salaries? Again, the players, their legal advisors and those involved in the negotiations will know. And their bank managers will have a decent idea. The rest of us know nothing.

And finally, the same goes for any interest from other clubs. None of us here know what interest there may have been. Even the press can only speculate.

So really, it’s all pie in the sky. And no amount of back and forth here will change any of it.

Yes think family life has a big impact on players and where they move.