Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Surely that’s a good thing?Rich man donates to charity
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
If you follow the BBC football site,His reporting of all things Utd is embarrassing. His headlines could be applied to any team during the close season. I read the headlines and moved on.But, it's a headline that has got you to sit up, listen and try and debunk. So, looks like Simon Stones has successfully done his job
The quote below is attributed to Jose Mourinho. Not sure if it’s legitimate or not, but it’s hard to disagree.
"I can't respect a player who refuses to join a club just because it's not in the Champions League. That's like a man saying he won't marry a woman because she doesn't have big buttocks and hips. Who's supposed to feed her so she develops them? If you truly love her, you commit and build with her. Same with football, if you love the team, join and help it grow. That's why I admire players like Cunha and Mbeumo…they go where the heart is, not just the glory."
"I can't respect a player who refuses to join a club just because it's not in the Champions League. That's like a man saying he won't marry a woman because she doesn't have big buttocks and hips. Who's supposed to feed her so she develops them? If you truly love her, you commit and build with her. Same with football, if you love the team, join and help it grow. That's why I admire players like Cunha and Mbeumo…they go where the heart is, not just the glory."
Or where the whopping salary is 
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Can’t be many mirrors in his place
I’m sure it has nothing to do with the wage on offer
Swango1980
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I wouldn't be so sure that Man Utd will be offering players the most lucrative contracts at this present time to be fair. I believe Cunha is on £180,000 a week, Mbeumo is on £150,000.
Can’t be many mirrors in his place
I’m sure it has nothing to do with the wage on offer
Lovely money, yes. But Ekitike and Wirtz are on around £200,000, unproven PL players. Not to mention Haaland on £525,000, Salah on £400,000, etc
It is likely that players like Cunha and Mbeumo would have interest in other clubs, who would be willing to pay them more than they are on. Unless you feel Man Utd is still the financial powerhouse that can destroy all other clubs when it comes to offering players the best contracts?
larmen
Head Pro
There is talk in Germany about a Leipzig player, Silva, dissolving his 7 million a year contract to join Bremen at closer to 2 million.
Of course, he probably wants some money from RB for that, but he wants to play.
The new RB coach, Werner, is not planning with him and didn’t play him when LY he was Werder coach and Silva was on loan.
But the main part is that he might sacrifice 5 million euros to play rather than sitting in the stands.
Of course, he probably wants some money from RB for that, but he wants to play.
The new RB coach, Werner, is not planning with him and didn’t play him when LY he was Werder coach and Silva was on loan.
But the main part is that he might sacrifice 5 million euros to play rather than sitting in the stands.
As @Swango1980 has said, it is highly likely that both players could have commanded a higher basic salary elsewhere, not to mention all manner of bonuses had they gone to clubs playing European football next season. And let’s face it, the way Newcastle’s window is going they’d have snapped up either given half a chance.
But, hey, players only join Manchester United for the money, don’t they………..?
But, hey, players only join Manchester United for the money, don’t they………..?
larmen
Head Pro
Is there a ‘generational’ thing in football? Or cycles?
Players that making it into the pros now, they just missed the Arsenal glory days and grew up in the Abramovic Chelsea area. Are they more likely wanting to join Chelsea for sentimental reasons rather than just the money as that’s what they watched growing up?
The kids now wear Manchester City. When they make it into the pros in 15 years, will they want to join there?
Especially foreign talent. They don’t wear Burnley or Derby jerseys in Brazil, they wear those who are successful over here.
nickjdavis
Head Pro
They will be joining Stockport, Bury, Bolton etc. as they wont get a look in for all the "cheap" foreign young talent hoovered up by City et al.
Swango1980
Well-known member
There are a good few clubs that have huge global support. Those clubs could have a really bad 5-10 years, but still attract top players, assuming the money isn't awful that they offer them.
Liverpool were not good for a long time, but could still attract top players. If Real Madrid were garbage for quite a few years, they'd still attract top players.
Burnley or Derby have never generated even a small global support, let alone a huge one. So it would be unsurprising if young Brazilians have never heard of them.
Arthur Wedge
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Cunha was on £110-120k at Wolves and gone up to £200k
Mbuemo has reportedly gone from £2mil a year to £8mil a year
I’m not sure what other clubs were offering them if there was indeed any other clubs offering wages
Don’t recall other clubs offering them bigger wages
But then I don’t think many clubs would have paid the amount Man Utd did for both players
But money will be a key reason for most going to any club that languishing outside chasing for any major honours
And that includes bonuses , endorsements that will come from playing for Man Utd
Swango1980
Well-known member
You don't think any other club would have paid Cunha or Mbeumo more than Man Utd!?? Your blinkers are huge, if you are prepared to ignore the big money offered to players going to other clubs like Liverpool, City, Chelsea or other big European clubs.
I get it. Fans of other clubs love to tell the world how top players won't want to go to Utd, because there are better clubs, and clubs that can offer them European football.
Transfer window comes, Utd sign players that everyone was cooing over the season before. Then suddenly the excuse is that the only reason they are going to Utd is the money. Blissfully ignore the fact that other top clubs are giving out bigger salaries to their signings. Or that the other clubs wouldn't want those players anyway.
I'm pretty sure that if word got out that Cunha or Mbeumo dreamed of a move to Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Newcastle, the many of those clubs would have been very keen to make that happen.
Arthur Wedge
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What other clubs were offering them more
Yes other clubs have paid different players higher wages - not sure where any one said they haven’t
That’s the sort thing that happens when a clubs drops down the table - it happened to us
other clubs will be giving out bigger salaries - didn’t anyone say they wouldn’t be
Would they ? Or would other clubs be looking at players a level up from them ?
Lucifer MorningStar
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I’ve not got a dog in this fight being a lowly Reading fan. But when You speak of Cunha and Mbuemo and mention if they’d said they dreamed of moves to clubs like Arsenal, Liverpool, City or Chelsea then I’d say it’s a pointless argument.
All those clubs are looking to improve further to become league or European champions, Mbeumo and Cunha do not improve their starting XI especially with the style of football they play. Neither makes Liverpools starting line up which arguably is the best front 3 anywhere, nor Arsenals Saka best in his position in the league with the exception of Salah, having signed Gyokeres, neither Cunha or Mbuemo meets the criteria of being the type of wideman to feed an all out striker. So they’d be over paid bench warmers. Chelsea have about 3000 wingers and trying to sign younger players so again that’s them out and as for City neither player gets In ahead of Haaland, Marmoush, Doku or Foden!
The only real other options would be Spurs but they don’t tend to spend that much, Newcastle but they need to sell and don’t need a Cunha type player they need a Sesko. So realistically that comes back to the only other team that can afford them that needs to improve their woeful front line and that’s United. Big clubs aren’t just going to sign someone who says they like their team! They sign players that improve their starting line ups or add something to a squad they need and neither of those players improve the starting line up of last season Top 4.
Swango1980
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Interesting take on Cunha and Mbeumo.
Last season they were getting nothing but praise (apart from when they were elbowing staff members of other sides), and made many fans Premier League team of the year.
Now they've gone to Man Utd. Suddenly, it's only for the money, and none of the bigger sides who can pay more would have wanted them. Note, there seemed to be a lot of excitement when news spread Mbeumo demanded £450,000 a week to go to Utd. Seems like that figure was just £300,000 higher than reality.
Given that most of the established top players are clearly not for sale, it would be interesting what higher level players these top clubs are looking for? Isak perhaps, albeit he'll cost best part of £150 million and demand a big salary. Or maybe they are looking for the next Darwin Nunez, currently playing in some European league?
Last season they were getting nothing but praise (apart from when they were elbowing staff members of other sides), and made many fans Premier League team of the year.
Now they've gone to Man Utd. Suddenly, it's only for the money, and none of the bigger sides who can pay more would have wanted them. Note, there seemed to be a lot of excitement when news spread Mbeumo demanded £450,000 a week to go to Utd. Seems like that figure was just £300,000 higher than reality.
Given that most of the established top players are clearly not for sale, it would be interesting what higher level players these top clubs are looking for? Isak perhaps, albeit he'll cost best part of £150 million and demand a big salary. Or maybe they are looking for the next Darwin Nunez, currently playing in some European league?
Lucifer MorningStar
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Not sure where you’re reading that I’ve said they went purely for money unless your trying every which way to spin your narrative as the only correct opinion.
I said they never went to other clubs not because they didn’t say they want to like you’ve pointed out but because they don’t improve their starting XI. That doesn’t take away from them having fantastic seasons last year or them being good players. It simply means what it says they don’t get in ahead of what the other clubs already have or don’t suit their needs as clubs.
But at the same time to stick to your point about money. They have more than doubled their salaries and the transfer fees they commanded (rightly so for their quality) is well above what most other Premier league teams outside of the big clubs can afford. So with Tottenham and Newcastle not bidding other than Utd who is going to be able to afford those transfer fees and salaries.
So if you want to swing it to your narrative I’d love to hear why you think they went , did they go to bigger clubs absolutely and will they have better chance of winning something of course they will and it’s a good career choice but were they ever gonna go to another mid table team for the same wages! Only they know
road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
Looks like Leipzig are in a decent position with Sesko as Newcastle appear desperate to get this one over the line regardless of what is costs them. I’d prefer it if we leave this one to Newcastle and not pay over the odds for another players with loads of potential. Money can be better spent elsewhere (GK/Midfield)
