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Hypothetical scenario Arthur: Two seasons ago, Forest or Everton’s points deduction meant Luton finished one point above them and they got relegated. Luton survived as a direct result of said deduction.

I’ve got fifty quid here that says you WOULDN’T have said “Forest/Everton have earned the right to remain in the Premier League by winning more points.”

In both cases, punishments came because of errors by the owners. Not by the players. Not by the fans. But I have zero doubt at all that you will spin this rule breach as not being the same as other rule breaches. All rule breaches are equal, but some are more equal than others, eh?

For the record - I couldn’t give a stuff whether Forest end up in Europa or back in the Conference. But the way Palace fans have dragged us into their fight and tried to lay blame at our door for their own incompetence and inability to provide a correct email address or act in time the way everyone else did means my sympathy for their plight is now non existent.
How many times, not Forest but your owner!

Do some digging on him rather than our fan base. Charged with match fixing in Geeece. The links to Lyon are quite staggering. Banning journalists from the grounds as he doesn't like certain opinions. .

For Greek shipping magnet, read used car dealer in the 80s.

Just hope for Forests sake he does not harm your club down the line.
 
Unsure if you genuinely don’t know or if you’re trying to make a point.

But they breached UEFA’s multi‑club ownership rules — specifically Article 5.01 of the UEFA Club Competitions Regulations which prohibits any individual or entity from holding a controlling interest in more than one club participating in the same European competition as of the 1 March 2025 deadline.

They missed a deadline. It’s a stupid deadline and the rules are stupid. But it could easily have been circumvented and - as Forest and Everton were told so many times - rules are rules. It doesn’t matter if you think they’re stupid or not.
Controlling interest...

A term that is not defined. We provided Uafa with proof that Textor did not control Palace, Uafa decided to disagree.

The deadline of 1st March was moved during the season to that date. The previous year it was 1st June, Uafa moved it because they wanted more time to review this issue as MCO is getting more common.

Fundamentally what does the rule want to achieve? Answer, no clubs in Europe have MCO. Come the start of the tournament, we have proved that beyond doubt as Textor has sold his shares,.but they for some strange reason want to kick us out.


Would this decision had been taken if a larger club was involved, I dont think so.

Would they have kicked us out if your owner had not chased up Uafa for clarity and a decision.....who knows. What i do know is he didn't help and he acts like he looks too many times for my liking.
 
So you don’t think Steve Parish is at fault at all? Regardless of how ridiculous the rules and/or criteria are, the buck stops with him.

This is a pretty level headed view, reflective of most Forest fans opinions. But I’m flabbergasted that Steve Parish has managed to gaslight the entire Palace fanbase into thinking it’s anyone else’s fault but his.

 
How many times, not Forest but your owner!

Do some digging on him rather than our fan base. Charged with match fixing in Geeece. The links to Lyon are quite staggering. Banning journalists from the grounds as he doesn't like certain opinions. .

For Greek shipping magnet, read used car dealer in the 80s.

Just hope for Forests sake he does not harm your club down the line.

First sentence - tell that to the huge number of Palace fans out there who are lumping “Nottingham Forest” in with their anger over this issue.

Match fixing - he was cleared by unanimous verdict in the Criminal Court of Appeal in Athens. I’m sure that’s not good enough for you though as it doesn’t fit with what you want to believe. I’m sure you know more than the legal minds who sat in on the case.

He’s not the first owner to ban certain journalists from his club. He won’t be the last.

Links to Lyon? Oh would that be this ridiculous notion that Forest buying three players from Botafogo somehow helped with Lyon’s cash flow and saved them from relegation? Kieran Maguire, one of the foremost experts on football finance has debunked that theory. But I’m sure Palace fans know better. And I’m sure the few million quid we paid for them was far more effective in easing Lyon’s cash flow than PSG agreeing to pay Lyon €50m in one lump sum rather than the previously agreed payment schedule over a period of several months. None of the “delegation of lads” who were marching around yesterday chanting and holding signs up said anything about PSG’s role. It’s all Forest and Marinakis’s fault.

You do some digging on him, beyond the narrative put about by certain sections of the media, Palace fans and Steve “Blame Everyone Else But Me” Parish. You’ll find he’s done a hell of a lot more for our club, the city, the fans and the community than the vast majority of owners out there.
 
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So you don’t think Steve Parish is at fault at all? Regardless of how ridiculous the rules and/or criteria are, the buck stops with him.

This is a pretty level headed view, reflective of most Forest fans opinions. But I’m flabbergasted that Steve Parish has managed to gaslight the entire Palace fanbase into thinking it’s anyone else’s fault but his.


I’ll say this for Steve Parish. He has done an absolutely sterling job of shifting the blame onto others and deflecting away from his own incompetence. Palace fans have swallowed his tripe hook, line and sinker. Squealer from Animal Farm has nothing on him.
 
As football fans we all like to see all footballing matters decided on the pitch.
No one likes to see clubs hit with points deductions for financial reasons as it has nothing to do with playing the game,

I think it’s the same with VAR, it feels wrong to the average football fan that the officials on the pitch are not actually making the big decisions, we all use to moan about ref errors but it was part and parcel of the great game, VAR doesn’t feel like that.

We all know (even Forest fans) that Palace deserve their place in the Europa by virtue of their actions on the pitch.

The fact they are not being allowed into that competition just feels wrong because it’s something they deserve due to their football achievements.

It’s like the person who wins the club champs being disqualified for signing the scorecard in the wrong place.

I don’t think Forest have done anything wrong they are just seen as the villains as they are the club who will benefit the most.
 
As football fans we all like to see all footballing matters decided on the pitch.
No one likes to see clubs hit with points deductions for financial reasons as it has nothing to do with playing the game,

I think it’s the same with VAR, it feels wrong to the average football fan that the officials on the pitch are not actually making the big decisions, we all use to moan about ref errors but it was part and parcel of the great game, VAR doesn’t feel like that.

We all know (even Forest fans) that Palace deserve their place in the Europa by virtue of their actions on the pitch.

The fact they are not being allowed into that competition just feels wrong because it’s something they deserve due to their football achievements.

It’s like the person who wins the club champs being disqualified for signing the scorecard in the wrong place.

I don’t think Forest have done anything wrong they are just seen as the villains as they are the club who will benefit the most.
100% this.


On a different note - I assume everyone's outraged with Ipswich after Brentford paid the release clause but they blocked it anyway. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

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100% this.


On a different note - I assume everyone's outraged with Ipswich after Brentford paid the release clause but they blocked it anyway. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

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I would presume the contract states that the release clause must be met in full in One payment.
Maybe that is the case with all release clauses.
As a Forest fan are you annoyed with whoever deals with your contracts for allowing MGW release clause to be too low or not agreeing a new contract with a higher release clause last season?
 
Forest fans are in real danger of just becoming bitter and twisted, a huge chip on their shoulder. Ipswich are not arguing about the release fee, it is the payment structure. Sort that out and the player goes.

Forest could be the new Ballotelli :oops:

They can just do what we did for Szoboszlai - take a holding loan to pay the fee and then pay the loan over instalments
 
I would presume the contract states that the release clause must be met in full in One payment.
Maybe that is the case with all release clauses.
As a Forest fan are you annoyed with whoever deals with your contracts for allowing MGW release clause to be too low or not agreeing a new contract with a higher release clause last season?
I'm not annoyed with the club really. That low clause was put in his contract to get it over the line. At the time, Steve Cooper was on the brink of walking if Gibbs-White deal wasn't done (true story) - it was the only player he specifically requested that summer. So I understand why it's as low as it is, and to be fair, at the time, £60m on a £25m purchase (because the add-ons were mostly Europe and England related and no one thought that would be a thing this soon after promotion!), would have been great business.

£60m from £40m is still a decent return a well to be fair.

Also, the club aren't to blame regarding a new contract - they've been trying to get Gibbs-White to sign a new contract since last summer. It stinks of Gibbs-White either knowing he's going and wanting out, or holding out for a massive pay day from the club. I haven't got a problem with the latter - he should probably be our highest paid player....but if he's known for a whole season that he'll be trying to actively leave, whilst telling the entire fanbase that there's no place he'd rather play - that doesn't sit well with me.
Forest fans are in real danger of just becoming bitter and twisted, a huge chip on their shoulder. Ipswich are not arguing about the release fee, it is the payment structure. Sort that out and the player goes.

Forest could be the new Ballotelli :oops:

how do you know that part (or all) of Forest's issue is with the payment structure? None of us know any details other than what's been bandied about on Social Media. It's all pure speculation.
 
Who knows. I did read somewhere yesterday that, after having the initial bid for Ekitike rejected, we upped it to €80m.

Either way....whoever gets Ekitike...Frankfurt will be lining their pockets....nothing like an eBay style bidding war!!!

If we had to have only one...it would be to keep Isak....a known quantity in terms of his ability to score in the PL, plus, I want to see how playing with his international colleague Elanga pans out.

If our ex Sporting Director Paul Mitchell hadn't ballsed things up then there wouldn't be any discussion...Isak would be nailed on as a Newcastle player for the foreseeable future unless some super bid came in (and £130m doesnt count as a "super bid")....but no, when the club wanted to offer him a revised longer contract with better terms, Mitchell veto'd it saying the player earned enough as it was....yes there were still PSR concerns, but the moment we secured CL qualification, the club should have offered a new deal immeidately.


Looks like Isak isn’t going to force the move ( which imo is good ) and with Newcastle saying he isn’t for sale club have moved on to Ekitike
 
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