The Footie Thread

[Lord Tyrion]

how do you know that part (or all) of Forest's issue is with the payment structure? None of us know any details other than what's been bandied about on Social Media. It's all pure speculation.

You asked if people are outraged with Ipswich as they have not released their player despite the release value being met. They are not as it has been widely reported that they want it all up front, not spread out. That seems pretty reasonable. If Brentford pay it up front, the player is theirs, if he wants to go there of course.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

They can just do what we did for Szoboszlai - take a holding loan to pay the fee and then pay the loan over instalments

If they sell Mbuemo then that covers it. Anyway, I don't blame Brentford for trying that approach, it helps the cash flow. Equally, Ipswich are entitled to say no thanks, come back with the full amount. It is not a crazy figure, I suspect they could manage it if they really wanted to.

 

[Aztecs27]

You asked if people are outraged with Ipswich as they have not released their player despite the release value being met. They are not as it has been widely reported that they want it all up front, not spread out. That seems pretty reasonable. If Brentford pay it up front, the player is theirs, if he wants to go there of course.

Yep and sorry if my point wasn't clear (it's been a long few days tiling my kitchen), but there are multiple posts which simply state "it's a release clause, Forest can't do anything about it if Spurs are paying it"....but they can, if the circumstances around the clause (and how the approach was handled)...and that's precisely what they're doing.

Just like Ipswich have said "nope, sorry, doesn't meet our terms", Forest are also not just rolling over to Daniel Levy because he "met the release clause".

Everyone arguing about why Forest are pursuing legal action or blocking the sale "because they can't" is all a waste of everyone's time and energy because none of us know anything about the situation.

Just like Forest didn't back down when the league took legal action due to the fees incurred around our PSR plight a few seasons ago - we've just won that case. The club wouldn't just take legal action unless they thought they had good reason to. We'd still be getting around £42m worth of "book" profit for PSR (due to amortisation) if Gibbs-White went for 60m - so I don't think the club would sniff that that if it was as cut and dry as people are assuming.

 

[Aztecs27]

If they sell Mbuemo then that covers it. Anyway, I don't blame Brentford for trying that approach, it helps the cash flow. Equally, Ipswich are entitled to say no thanks, come back with the full amount. It is not a crazy figure, I suspect they could manage it if they really wanted to.

I don't think anyone would. They'll dig their heels in with Wissa as well unless he becomes a problem and risks causing upset in the squad (same applies to Gibbs-White I think. I'd like to think the club will get him gone if his heart's not in it and he doesn't want to be here....which, as a fan, I can't understand, given we've treated him like a god...but that's by the by).

 

[road2ruin]

Looks like the Mbeumo to United deal is going to fall over which is now even more likely with Newcastle's interest in Wissa as it's unlikely they'll sell both. Think the only way that changes is if Mbeumo makes it clear that he's not going to play for Brentford again however that doesn't look likely. United have wasted 6 weeks on this deal and left Amorim with one additional player whilst making it clear that the 5 from last season won't play for the club again. INEOS/Glazers are going to come in for some unbelievable flak if this summer goes badly especially with all the comments in January that the winter window would be quiet as all plans are geared towards the summer. With the improvements that City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool have made I think that's pretty much the top 4 sown up. United will be luck to get top 10 at this point.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

United will be luck to get top 10 at this point.

What's changed from last season to suggest that level of improvement

 

[RichA]

Forest fans are in real danger of just becoming bitter and twisted, a huge chip on their shoulder. Ipswich are not arguing about the release fee, it is the payment structure. Sort that out and the player goes.

Forest could be the new Ballotelli

All Forest fans?
I couldn't care less. Only interjected on here to question when people keep suggesting that certain FA and EUFA rules are silly and should be ignored, as and when it suits their team or rattles somebody else's.

If MGW wants to leave I'd like him to go and wish him well.
The dullard in charge of England has apparently told him that he can't progress in the national team while he's at Forest, which seems bizarre to me.
I think he's a terrific player and a great prospect for England. I would rather see him lifting the World Cup in an England shirt as a Spurs player than lifting some Eurotrash tin pot as a Forest player.

 

[road2ruin]

What's changed from last season to suggest that level of improvement

Ha, to be honest you're probably not wrong. I was just trying to be a little bit more positive that this season couldn't be as bad as last!!

 

[Orikoru]

Yep and sorry if my point wasn't clear (it's been a long few days tiling my kitchen), but there are multiple posts which simply state "it's a release clause, Forest can't do anything about it if Spurs are paying it"....but they can, if the circumstances around the clause (and how the approach was handled)...and that's precisely what they're doing.

Just like Ipswich have said "nope, sorry, doesn't meet our terms", Forest are also not just rolling over to Daniel Levy because he "met the release clause".

Everyone arguing about why Forest are pursuing legal action or blocking the sale "because they can't" is all a waste of everyone's time and energy because none of us know anything about the situation.

Just like Forest didn't back down when the league took legal action due to the fees incurred around our PSR plight a few seasons ago - we've just won that case. The club wouldn't just take legal action unless they thought they had good reason to. We'd still be getting around £42m worth of "book" profit for PSR (due to amortisation) if Gibbs-White went for 60m - so I don't think the club would sniff that that if it was as cut and dry as people are assuming.

It's not the same is it though? Ipswich turn down a bid because the release clause must be paid up front in full. Spurs paid the release clause in full, and Forest had a tantrum because they wanted the clause to be a secret forever. Two different scenarios.

 

[Aztecs27]

All Forest fans?
I couldn't care less. Only interjected on here to question when people keep suggesting that certain FA and EUFA rules are silly and should be ignored, as and when it suits their team or rattles somebody else's.

If MGW wants to leave I'd like him to go and wish him well.
The dullard in charge of England has apparently told him that he can't progress in the national team while he's at Forest, which seems bizarre to me.
I think he's a terrific player and a great prospect for England. I would rather see him lifting the World Cup in an England shirt as a Spurs player than lifting some Eurotrash tin pot as a Forest player.

That's no way to speak about the Europa League mate. It's a historic, well respected competition.

 

[Aztecs27]

It's not the same is it though? Ipswich turn down a bid because the release clause must be paid up front in full. Spurs paid the release clause in full, and Forest had a tantrum because they wanted the clause to be a secret forever. Two different scenarios.

Did they though? Like do you have full proof of this? I'm not being facetious but we don't know this is the case (and seems very unlikely, since the club had no idea about the transfer until it started being reported on social media, and that's the whole point.

Knowing Levy, he's probably proposed paying it in penny instalments until the world ends. It's not his MO to just casually pay a full fee upfront, no questions asked.

 

[irip]

I think there are 2 reasons that Forest fans are upset with the MGW scenario.

1. The player has come out and said he loves Forest and loves being captain and keeps kissing the badge and first offer comes in and he is off like a rocket.

2. They feel bullied by Spurs who are using there position as a “top club/protected 6” to get the player without having permission to speak to him first.

 

[Swango1980]

What's changed from last season to suggest that level of improvement

Onana is injured

 

[Swango1980]

Looks like the Mbeumo to United deal is going to fall over which is now even more likely with Newcastle's interest in Wissa as it's unlikely they'll sell both. Think the only way that changes is if Mbeumo makes it clear that he's not going to play for Brentford again however that doesn't look likely. United have wasted 6 weeks on this deal and left Amorim with one additional player whilst making it clear that the 5 from last season won't play for the club again. INEOS/Glazers are going to come in for some unbelievable flak if this summer goes badly especially with all the comments in January that the winter window would be quiet as all plans are geared towards the summer. With the improvements that City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool have made I think that's pretty much the top 4 sown up. United will be luck to get top 10 at this point.

From the outside, it seems really bad. It is like the entire Utd board have been away on holiday for the last 6 weeks, and so nothing really has been done.

I appreciate a deal can't be negotiated in a single meeting. But, you'd think it could be done in a fairly short space of time, and if it is clear the selling club doesn;t actually want to sell, or their asking price is higher than you want to pay, you ultimately just walk away, and work on other deals. At this rate, we'll either bring nobody else in, or panic in the last week and pay £80 million for Nicolas Jackson.

And I'd love to know what is happening with the 5 or 6 that we want out of the club. If they are genuinely good players, only hindered by being at Utd, you'd think there would be a queue of interested clubs asking about them, knowing they'd come at a discounted price. Either, clubs are put off by them because they are not actually that good and/or they don't like their attitude. Or Man Utd are demanding ridiculous transfer fees for them, which would be hard to believe.

Perhaps Man Utd really are in a terrible PSR position, and so they really need to offload some players before committing to a higher bid for players they would like to bring in?

 

[Orikoru]

Did they though? Like do you have full proof of this? I'm not being facetious but we don't know this is the case (and seems very unlikely, since the club had no idea about the transfer until it started being reported on social media, and that's the whole point.

Knowing Levy, he's probably proposed paying it in penny instalments until the world ends. It's not his MO to just casually pay a full fee upfront, no questions asked.

It was reported that Spurs had paid it in full, I remember well because I was surprised at how un-Levy it sounded. The reports could be wrong of course. But in all the intervening days nobody has reported that that aspect was wrong. They've just said Forest are kicking up a fuss about how Spurs found out about the clause.

 

[clubchamp98]

It’s nice when you can spend €80m
On a player like Nunez,then just stick him on the bench when it doesn’t work out

At least he’s not on an 8 year contract to get over Financial rules like some clubs!

 

[Aztecs27]

I think there are 2 reasons that Forest fans are upset with the MGW scenario.

1. The player has come out and said he loves Forest and loves being captain and keeps kissing the badge and first offer comes in and he is off like a rocket.

2. They feel bullied by Spurs who are using there position as a “top club/protected 6” to get the player without having permission to speak to him first.

I'd say that's fair.

Wolves fans tried to warn us that MGW was all about MGW, but we've not seen any of that in the last 3 years until now (potentially - we've still not really got the full picture from all parties)

 

[Aztecs27]

From the outside, it seems really bad. It is like the entire Utd board have been away on holiday for the last 6 weeks, and so nothing really has been done.

I appreciate a deal can't be negotiated in a single meeting. But, you'd think it could be done in a fairly short space of time, and if it is clear the selling club doesn;t actually want to sell, or their asking price is higher than you want to pay, you ultimately just walk away, and work on other deals. At this rate, we'll either bring nobody else in, or panic in the last week and pay £80 million for Nicolas Jackson.

And I'd love to know what is happening with the 5 or 6 that we want out of the club. If they are genuinely good players, only hindered by being at Utd, you'd think there would be a queue of interested clubs asking about them, knowing they'd come at a discounted price. Either, clubs are put off by them because they are not actually that good and/or they don't like their attitude. Or Man Utd are demanding ridiculous transfer fees for them, which would be hard to believe.

Perhaps Man Utd really are in a terrible PSR position, and so they really need to offload some players before committing to a higher bid for players they would like to bring in?

Unless, of course, Spurs are signing Gibbs-White; where the deal can be done from start to finish in about 2 hours.

 

[Orikoru]

I'd say that's fair.

Wolves fans tried to warn us that MGW was all about MGW, but we've not seen any of that in the last 3 years until now (potentially - we've still not really got the full picture from all parties)

What's wrong with a player having ambition at wanting to move to a bigger club? Spurs have had that countless teams over the years with our best players joining Real Madrid or Man Utd. It's just what happens.

 

[Aztecs27]

It was reported that Spurs had paid it in full, I remember well because I was surprised at how un-Levy it sounded. The reports could be wrong of course. But in all the intervening days nobody has reported that that aspect was wrong. They've just said Forest are kicking up a fuss about how Spurs found out about the clause.

I think until the whole saga has been sorted (however it's sorted), it's just all social media noise.