The Footie Thread

[4LEX]

Mad when you think the players they had 2/3 years ago.
Individual superstars but not team players.
Enrique had the foresight and bravery to move them on and reaped the rewards.
The question for me is for them players currently at the club how much more is there to achieve by staying with the club?

Very good point. I think they'll give it another year though due to the owners. Enrique has done such a fantastic job but I think the culture of the club shifted after Mbappe left.

Would like to see him at Man Utd for a proper rebuild next summer!

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Ah yes PSG, the fairy tale of how a club had squillions pumped into it and won the lot

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Ah yes PSG, the fairy tale of how a club had squillions pumped into it and won the lot

Different to Real, Barca, Munich, Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd etc? Nope.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Mad when you think the players they had 2/3 years ago.
Individual superstars but not team players.
Enrique had the foresight and bravery to move them on and reaped the rewards.
The question for me is for them players currently at the club how much more is there to achieve by staying with the club?

Do it all over again? They might be happy there. Paris isn't the worst place in the world to be.

 

[Don Barzini]

Different to Real, Barca, Munich, Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd etc? Nope.

Exactly. This is football now.

I keep seeing posts on Twitter lauding how well Enzo Maresca has done since becoming Chelsea boss.

The man took on a squad valued at over £1 billion and spent almost another quarter of a billion since he arrived. He got a CL spot in the Prem and won a European trophy against teams from Timbuktu, Kaliningrad and Nagorno-Karabakh.

Yeah….a true rags to riches story that could warm the cockles of even the hardest of hearts!

 

[Neilds]

I agree it won’t be cheap but if a player wants to try their luck in a different/more competitive league will PSG stand in their way?
Some players may feel having achieved the Champions league win it’s time to move on and a player angling for a move can cause chaos in a dressing room.
If all players are happy and want to stick together they will be a tough team to beat next year

Why do people still cling to the quant old fashioned view that footballers are loyal people who want to be competitive and play in the best leagues. This means they could lose matches, be dropped, etc. They go where the money is the best (generalisation here) and all the badge kissing, etc is just for the cameras.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Different to Real, Barca, Munich, Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd etc? Nope.

Not Chelsea but the others , yes I'd say it is. Like man city , massive financial doping but with psg they are being lauded as some kind of saviours post their galactico era.

 

[nickjdavis]

Not Chelsea but the others , yes I'd say it is. Like man city , massive financial doping but with psg they are being lauded as some kind of saviours post their galactico era.

Saviours of what?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Not Chelsea but the others , yes I'd say it is. Like man city , massive financial doping but with psg they are being lauded as some kind of saviours post their galactico era.

All of those teams have bought their way to success. Their cheque books have been bigger than everyone else. The source of PSG money might be different but otherwise it's the same.

Their is zero romance about how Real have cleaned up over the years, it's cold hard cash.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

All of those teams have bought their way to success. Their cheque books have been bigger than everyone else. The source of PSG money might be different but otherwise it's the same.

Their is zero romance about how Real have cleaned up over the years, it's cold hard cash.

No, you can't compare the massive financial doping of city , Chelsea , psg with the likes of , Liverpool, Manu, Bayern. Real are a bit of a special case as they have done some dodgy dealing to say the least.

 

[Neilds]

All of those teams have bought their way to success. Their cheque books have been bigger than everyone else. The source of PSG money might be different but otherwise it's the same.

Their is zero romance about how Real have cleaned up over the years, it's cold hard cash.

The biggest ‘financial dopers’ at the current time are Wrexham and nobody seems to mind about them buying their success.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

The biggest ‘financial dopers’ at the current time are Wrexham and nobody seems to mind about them buying their success.

It's going to have to go 10x current if they are serious about reaching the prem.

 

[Beezerk]

The biggest ‘financial dopers’ at the current time are Wrexham and nobody seems to mind about them buying their success.

Just be happy for them, a run down club getting some decent backers and having a bit of success. It’s not going to last forever don’t forget.

 

[Neilds]

Just be happy for them, a run down club getting some decent backers and having a bit of success. It’s not going to last forever don’t forget.

Are you talking about Wrexham or Man City when they were languishing in the lower divisions?

 

[Beezerk]

Are you talking about Wrexham or Man City when they were languishing in the lower divisions?

Wrexham, you mentioned them in your post. I assumed it was another typical Rotherham fan style post

 

[Tashyboy]

Yes, though I am not convinced they have yet been offered much in the way of alternatives to vote on.

I believe there is (or has been) a trial of Squad Cost Ratio (SCR) and Top to Bottom Anchoring (TBA) as an alternative to PSR.

From my (admittedly) little understanding of these systems, SCR makes it even harder for "smaller" clubs to compete against the big boys while TBA is anti-competitive and would trigger legal challenges from some quarters and possibly UEFA/FIFA.

If those are the only alternatives on offer, for some clubs it's like being presented with a vote on whether you want to be shot, stabbed or pushed off a cliff, while not being offered an option to live.

Here’s a thought. Ban it altogether. FFP, TBR, SCR, PSR or any other CRAP they want to propose.
A government body is coming in to oversee football.
Now to the best of me knowledge they oversee Education, NHS, Energy, transport,immigration, armed forces and it don’t look To good.
Now whether we fans like it or not. Football and its clubs left the fans behind years ago. Football is now business, yet it’s a business that some people ( predominantly the ones at the very top) have instigated rules that protect the people and clubs at the very top.
Name one other business in which that is allowed to happen. If clubs go bust. They go bust. Companies go bust every day and since FFP Started, clubs have gone bust. The implications of FFP are definitely not fair. But if you tell a lie long enough and loud enough. People actually believe it.

 

[Deleted member 36742]

The biggest ‘financial dopers’ at the current time are Wrexham and nobody seems to mind about them buying their success.

There is not a club in the country whose fans would not welcome owners injecting cash to enable them to succeed.

I have been a football fan for over 65 years and throughout that time there have been many clubs who have had just such a financial kickstart.

For example in the very early 60's Liverpool had just such a benefit which, together with Shankly's management, took them from a Second Division side to one of the leading sides in Europe.

I don't know of any of the top clubs who have not used the cheque book.

The only difference these days is that larger sums are needed.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Here’s a thought. Ban it altogether. FFP, TBR, SCR, PSR or any other CRAP they want to propose.
A government body is coming in to oversee football.
Now to the best of me knowledge they oversee Education, NHS, Energy, transport,immigration, armed forces and it don’t look To good.
Now whether we fans like it or not. Football and its clubs left the fans behind years ago. Football is now business, yet it’s a business that some people ( predominantly the ones at the very top) have instigated rules that protect the people and clubs at the very top.
Name one other business in which that is allowed to happen. If clubs go bust. They go bust. Companies go bust every day and since FFP Started, clubs have gone bust. The implications of FFP are definitely not fair. But if you tell a lie long enough and loud enough. People actually believe it.

Imagine a fan of a club with sovereign wealth wanting any financial restrictions to be removed

 

[Neilds]

There is not a club in the country whose fans would not welcome owners injecting cash to enable them to succeed.

I have been a football fan for over 65 years and throughout that time there have been many clubs who have had just such a financial kickstart.

For example in the very early 60's Liverpool had just such a benefit which, together with Shankly's management, took them from a Second Division side to one of the leading sides in Europe.

I don't know of any of the top clubs who have not used the cheque book.

The only difference these days is that larger sums are needed.

Totally agree and a lot of my resentment towards the like of Wrexham is based on jealousy. However, what I don't agree with is all the fawning and lovey dovey towards them when it isn't a fairy tale, it is a cheque book that has got them the success. What I also fear is other lower league teams with owners who think they have the financial clout to do the same, try and replicate the Wrexham model , bankrupt the club and spoil it for the fans.

 

[Deleted member 36742]

Totally agree and a lot of my resentment towards the like of Wrexham is based on jealousy. However, what I don't agree with is all the fawning and lovey dovey towards them when it isn't a fairy tale, it is a cheque book that has got them the success. What I also fear is other lower league teams with owners who think they have the financial clout to do the same, try and replicate the Wrexham model , bankrupt the club and spoil it for the fans.

The fawning is a result of the effect on social media of their owners.

Be fair they did well last season, only 19 points behind us.