The Footie Thread

[Tashyboy]

Mablethorpe in the rain is more entertaining than England.
There Ave said it.

 

[4LEX]

And just as Zirkzee started to have some influence, he got injured. Same with Amad.

The team played like a bunch of players who knew the future would be uncertain. Some know they will be moved on, some may expect to stay but know the players around them will be very different in a few months.

Keep changing manager every 6 months, the players will never feel settled.

I don't know any Utd fans that are asking for Amorim to be sacked. So I'm guessing only a very small proportion are asking for that. Given that Utd fans want to play exciting football and finish much higher than 15th, I'm sure they have fair reasons in wanting to keep Amorim. I'm not a one off

That's the crazy thing. From the outside it's obvious, from inside the bubble not so. The same happened with Ole, then ETH and now Amorim. It's unbelievable how loyal Man Utd fans are towards players and managers.

Looking back do you not realise it was a mistake to give Ole so much time/money? Ditto ETH? I'd argue Amorim is considerably worse than both of them yet the support remains high.

 

[Tashyboy]

Just watched the Challenge cup final rugby.

Their video ref could teach the VAR muppets a thing or two.
They show the action and you can hear the VR talking his way through the footage.
Took 40 seconds.

Also like the Captains challenge.
No players harassing the ref .

Miles better than the footy VAR.

Well done HKR.

Actually am quite gobsmacked no one has liked this comment. I watched it and thought exactly the same. It seems that whatever the ref in the Rugby stockley park looking at is actually fed to the stadium so the match going fans know what is being looked at. The commentary re the final try was exceptional.

 

[Tashyboy]

Lets hope Tuchel has deployed the anal dynamite at half time.

That was diarrhoea. No dynamite required.

 

[4LEX]

Mablethorpe in the rain is more entertaining than England.
There Ave said it.

The worrying thing is it looks like we've missed the boat. Our era really was 2018-2024.

Spain look a class above and France have got the likes of Olise, Doue and Mbappe up front which is frightening.

 

[Tashyboy]

The worrying thing is it looks like we've missed the boat. Our era really was 2018-2024.

Spain look a class above and France have got the likes of Olise, Doue and Mbappe up front which is frightening.

Pedestrian is not the word.
Tomorrow night is Spain v Portugal. It won’t be this rammel.
Who was ripped to bits the other day when they commented about the standard of football in France. And yet they have just seen Englands finest serve up that dross.

 

[Swango1980]

That's the crazy thing. From the outside it's obvious, from inside the bubble not so. The same happened with Ole, then ETH and now Amorim. It's unbelievable how loyal Man Utd fans are towards players and managers.

Looking back do you not realise it was a mistake to give Ole so much time/money? Ditto ETH? I'd argue Amorim is considerably worse than both of them yet the support remains high.

If you don't get it, then maybe it is just because you don't really understand much about the club, and where the main issues have been.

It's not always the managers fault

But some people think the manager is the chief scout, technical director, negotiator, in charge of the youth set up and converter of chances to goals. So they just blame the manager any time the club is poor.

Ole never showed he was a quality coach, even before Man U. As you know, I liked ETH, but he was never going to be given 3 or 4 years to turn things around.

Amorim has shown he also had good qualities. They don't always reveal themselves in 6 months with a bunch of misfit players. So, I'd like the club to give him more time, to hopefully show those qualities at Utd.

 

[nickjdavis]

Pedestrian is not the word.
Tomorrow night is Spain v Portugal. It won’t be this rammel.
Who was ripped to bits the other day when they commented about the standard of football in France. And yet they have just seen Englands finest serve up that dross.

Quite simply, the best teams use pace and movement to create opportunities.

England for the most part look like they've been told they cant move in case it confuses the player with the ball.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

That's the crazy thing. From the outside it's obvious, from inside the bubble not so. The same happened with Ole, then ETH and now Amorim. It's unbelievable how loyal Man Utd fans are towards players and managers.

Looking back do you not realise it was a mistake to give Ole so much time/money? Ditto ETH? I'd argue Amorim is considerably worse than both of them yet the support remains high.

The line that gets repeated every single time, 'remember how they nearly sacked Ferguson? Give him more time'. No problem for me, keep giving each of them more time .

I agree with what you've said, from the outside it's been pretty obvious each time but there seems a real stubbornness to admit a wrong decision has been made.

 

[Billysboots]

Quite simply, the best teams use pace and movement to create opportunities.

England for the most part look like they've been told they cant move in case it confuses the player with the ball.

There will continue to be those who make excuses for that sort of performance. The players are tired, the opposition got men behind the ball, blah, blah.

But that was awful. Again. For reasons I still cannot fathom, this England side are ranked the fourth best in the world. Rubbish. They are absolutely miles away from meriting that sort of lofty ranking.

Slow, ponderous in possession, little or no creativity, and unutterably boring to watch. It’s been the same for years. I’m really not sure England have inspired to any great extent since the Venables era.

I know there are those who will maintain it’s the win which matters. But a modicum of entertainment wouldn’t go amiss occasionally.

 

[clubchamp98]

Actually am quite gobsmacked no one has liked this comment. I watched it and thought exactly the same. It seems that whatever the ref in the Rigby stickler parking looking at is actually fed to the stadium so the match going fans know what is being looked at. The commentary re the final try was exceptional.

Cheers Tash.
I think the England game has shocked us.

 

[4LEX]

If you don't get it, then maybe it is just because you don't really understand much about the club, and where the main issues have been.

It's not always the managers fault

But some people think the manager is the chief scout, technical director, negotiator, in charge of the youth set up and converter of chances to goals. So they just blame the manager any time the club is poor.

Ole never showed he was a quality coach, even before Man U. As you know, I liked ETH, but he was never going to be given 3 or 4 years to turn things around.

Amorim has shown he also had good qualities. They don't always reveal themselves in 6 months with a bunch of misfit players. So, I'd like the club to give him more time, to hopefully show those qualities at Utd.

I do get it and the issues are entirely down to appointing the wrong manager and DOF. Why else have other clubs of a similar standing done OK? Because they're ruthless and don't settle for fifth best out of some misguided form of loyality. The fans are more to blame for state of the club than anything else.

 

[Tashyboy]

There will continue to be those who make excuses for that sort of performance. The players are tired, the opposition got men behind the ball, blah, blah.

But that was awful. Again. For reasons I still cannot fathom, this England side are ranked the fourth best in the world. Rubbish. They are absolutely miles away from meriting that sort of lofty ranking.

Slow, ponderous in possession, little or no creativity, and unutterably boring to watch. It’s been the same for years. I’m really not sure England have inspired to any great extent since the Venables era.

I know there are those who will maintain it’s the win which matters. But a modicum of entertainment wouldn’t go amiss occasionally.

As much as I agree with you. There were those that raved about Gareth Southgate being a footballing genius, because he got the win. Yet under his tenure the football was boring and certainly not entertaining.
Tonight for me was a classic example of the players carrying the manager.
Let’s not beat around the bush. Anyone of us on here could have picked an England team to win tonight. But what was our method of play, what was our style.
It was rammel. Seriously Henderson, Bloody Henderson.
At what stage does “we got the win” become nonsense. In a final I will take that. But tonight against Andorra is down right embarrassing.

 

[Billysboots]

As much as I agree with you. There were those that raved about Gareth Southgate being a footballing genius, because he got the win. Yet under his tenure the football was boring and certainly not entertaining.
Tonight for me was a classic example of the players carrying the manager.
Let’s not beat around the bush. Anyone of us on here could have picked an England team to win tonight. But what was our method of play, what was our style.
It was rammel. Seriously Henderson, Bloody Henderson.
At what stage does “we got the win” become nonsense. In a final I will take that. But tonight against Andorra is down right embarrassing.

Southgate was ultra conservative. Said it here any number of times, he had the talent at his disposal to have won one tournament, if not two, and he stifled the living daylights out of it.

 

[Swango1980]

I do get it and the issues are entirely down to appointing the wrong manager and DOF. Why else have other clubs of a similar standing done OK? Because they're ruthless and don't settle for fifth best out of some misguided form of loyality. The fans are more to blame for state of the club than anything else.

I believe your statement is garbage.

 

[clubchamp98]

As much as I agree with you. There were those that raved about Gareth Southgate being a footballing genius, because he got the win. Yet under his tenure the football was boring and certainly not entertaining.
Tonight for me was a classic example of the players carrying the manager.
Let’s not beat around the bush. Anyone of us on here could have picked an England team to win tonight. But what was our method of play, what was our style.
It was rammel. Seriously Henderson, Bloody Henderson.
At what stage does “we got the win” become nonsense. In a final I will take that. But tonight against Andorra is down right embarrassing.

Seen plenty of games like that in the PL though.
A parked bus is difficult to get past and they defended very well.

The players looked not interested and we really lack a general in midfield who runs the game.
They were getting in each others way far to much in the box.

What sort of manager brings a sub on 1 minute into 3 minutes of extra time to waste time against Andorra?
I think the players are partially to blame as well as the manager

 

[clubchamp98]

Southgate was ultra conservative. Said it here any number of times, he had the talent at his disposal to have won one tournament, if not two, and he stifled the living daylights out of it.

Yes and I think we still play his way now ,I can’t see a difference!

 

[4LEX]

I believe your statement is garbage.

We'll see won't we?

 

[Deleted member 36742]

Tuchel selected the players that everyone wanted and criticised Southgate for not picking them yet that was the performance we got.

Maybe it's about time we stopped putting so much of the blame upon the manager and started to accept that contrary to popular belief we are not blessed with particularly gifted or great players.

It was the same with the so called "Golden Generation" who achieved nothing yet it was always the manager(s) who carried the can.

 

[Tashyboy]

Tuchel selected the players that everyone wanted and criticised Southgate for not picking them yet that was the performance we got.

Maybe it's about time we stopped putting so much of the blame upon the manager and started to accept that contrary to popular belief we are not blessed with particularly gifted or great players.

It was the same with the so called "Golden Generation" who achieved nothing yet it was always the manager(s) who carried the can.

I don’t know one person who wanted Henderson. Kane starting against Andorra MGW On the bench. Nope not everyone wanted that rammel.