Arthur Wedge
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Pinning a lot of hope on Ferguson already ?
Pinning a lot of hope on Ferguson already ?
Golfmmad
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Really disappointed that Ferguson has gone to West Ham. To me he's Brightons future and has been unlucky with niggling injuries this season.
He's a very talented striker, there's no doubt about that. It's been difficult for him to get game time and therefore up to peak fitness.
As I've said he is Brightons future, especially with the ageing Welbeck. Don't get me wrong he's been great for us but his best years are behind him. I noticed on Saturday that his pace seems to have waned.
Ferguson would be his direct replacement and I rate him as a goalscorer better than Pedro or Rutter.
Bad for Brighton and fortunate for West Ham.
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It's only a loan tho, he could just simply come back fully fit and firing
I'm just happy to have a striker available who's an actual striker . Our hands were forced when fulkerg got injured again , shame we didn't want to risk Ferguson on a proper transfer as he has potential. We could just end up getting him fit for you next season
Tashyboy
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I have never said it is a level playing field. Looking at that link. We are nowhere near the top. But Citys team has gone its distance with this squad, it needs an overhaul to get back to the standard Pep has set.
On a positive, City have just signed a defensive midfielder as I type
Swango1980
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A phase could potentially last 5 minutes, especially if a team like City are boring the place out by passing a ball a million times. VAR isn't going to go back and recommend a foul that occured 5 minutes ago. There is a time limit, but that time limit is at the discretion of the VAR. So, this VAR obviously decided it happened too long ago.
Don Barzini
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Isn’t that the very reason why a loan is a great move for him and for Brighton?
As you say, he’s struggled with injuries and can’t get game time with you - at the current time. So he might as well get it somewhere else.
So unless the loan includes an option to buy (which I don’t think it does but could be wrong?) it surely makes sense for him to get game time, fitness and form somewhere else, rather than just sitting on the bench with you?
Swango1980
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What on earth has happened to career of Jaoa Felix?
Didn't Chelsea effectively take him for a decent amount of money in August, now they are loaning him out to Milan
Didn't Chelsea effectively take him for a decent amount of money in August, now they are loaning him out to Milan
Tashyboy
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He is a fantastic player but very lightweight, city were interested in him at one time but choose not to come. Thankfully we got away with one.
Pin-seeker
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is he actually any good?
Have to wonder what teams look at when signing players.
Swango1980
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No idea. But Athletico spent a fortune on him when he was younger, so he must have shown something special.
He's either lost it, or his negatives outweigh his talents
Bunkermagnet
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Is it time to stop this player loaning? Either buy or sell the player. Allow loans out for under 21's, but only if the club do not buy or loan anyone in.
Golfmmad
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I know it's a loan deal but I'd much rather see him scoring goals for Brighton not West Ham.
Don Barzini
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Not sure this idea catches on to be honest. Loaning out decent young prospects who are nowhere near the first team is absolutely vital to their development. Especially with PSR rules and how much extra value they can bring a club later on. To say it can only be done if the club don't fill a squad place with someone else is far too restrictive.
Bunkermagnet
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Loan a young player out, no problem. But if you do, you cannot loan in any player.
Lets stop clubs buying umpteen young players to see them rot or waste away. Something has to be done to stop the excessive loaning of players. Buy or sell.
Swango1980
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I'd agree with this. You'll never know if a young player will be good enough to become a regular first team player, as it can take a long time to develop. The odds are quite high many of the youth team players will not be good enough, especially at a top end club. I'd almost be swaying with the idea that clubs should actually be encouraged to loan out as many of their younger players as possible, rather than letting them rot on the bench and maybe playing the odd League Cup game (which might only be one game a season, in which they experience a defeat).
There are probably many examples were young players that have gone on loan to a few clubs, and hugely benefited from it (and many lower league clubs probably rely on getting loan players). I can think of Amad at Utd currently. He has had some up and down experiences at Rangers and Sunderland, but I think the experiences have hugely benefited him. Had he never been loaned out, and just made fleeting appearances for Utd since 2021, I'd suspect he'd be a worse player for it.
Don Barzini
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I feel this just punishes the less rich clubs, like most of the rules already do.
Take Ipswich as an example (and I'm creating a scenario around them here)
They've just come up to the Prem, have had to spend to their maximum allowable to have a chance. But even then, with the Prem being what it is, they're still struggling. Because of PSR/FFP, they can't afford to buy any more players of real quality in, so they want to look to the loan market to make it affordable. Now lets assume they've got a youngster in their ranks with massive potential. Could be a superstar in the future and make the club some real dough eventually. But currently he needs a loan out to a lower league for his development.
You want to tell Ipswich that if they loan him out, they can't loan anyone in to help them try and stay up?
Sorry, I just don't agree.
Arthur Wedge
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Only rule I would look at when it comes to loans is I don’t think you should be allowed to loan within your own league
Swango1980
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Already said, but I think this would make it much tougher for clubs further down the pyramid. I don't follow clubs further down (although perhaps my club will be joining them soon), but it seems many rely on loans.
If you are in League 1 or 2 for example, you are likely to have players at all different levels. Players that are stalwarts of your side. Youth players that may not be ready for the first team. Youth players that are really promising. The really promising youth players might be difficult to keep anyway, as bigger clubs are likely to show interest. So, the League 1/2 club probably needs to rely on loaning of players, and benefit from using some younger players with high potential. Even if loans were effectively banned, I'd still think bigger clubs would still be bringing those young players in. Their motivation isn't to bring young players in so they can loan them out. It is because they think they will be first team players in the future, or good enough to be sold by a club actually wishing to take them permanently.
Living in Lincoln, I know Lincoln City have had players like Morgan Rogers and Brendan Johnson in the past. I'm sure that worked out quite well.
Would an alternative solution be to restrict squads (that include any players on your books that are loaned out) to smaller sizes?
Bunkermagnet
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Restrict it to PL and perhaps Championship sides.
Something has to be done though.
Don Barzini
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Yep Brennan Johnson went to Lincoln in League One and absolutely ripped it up. Came back and was instrumental in our promotion and survival seasons. His sale to Spurs helped us no end and we wouldn’t be where we are now if not for him.
