Can't understand why VAR can't intervene in a blatant case of cheating that led to a goal. Clearly gained an advantageHe should be forever thought of as the John Higgins of football. Every miss may be for a few grand
Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
Agree with both points, but am increasingly realising I'm in the minority when it comes to this stuff.
Player dives at slightest contact, he's "got the right to go down". Player moves the ball two feet to the side of where the ref has indicated he takes the free kick, he's lauded by fans and pundits alike as "being clever" for gaining an advantage. There's no such thing as cheating in football now. Gaining the advantage in any underhand way possible is just all part of the game, whereas in any other sport or any other walk of life, it would be called out for what it is. Imagine someone deliberately moving their ball when playing golf to get a better lie or better approach line and the outcry there would be! But in football, move it to the side of the line of the defending wall, no problem. Opponents fault for not noticing.
I'm embracing it from now on. I'll celebrate when players from my team cheat now as well.
(Sorry, not when they "cheat". When they are "clever".)
Last edited:
Swango1980
Well-known member
I can. Onfield officials didn't see it. 11 Nottingham Forest players didn't see it. No Nottingham Forest officials saw it. I don't believe the commentators noticed it, as it wasn't mentioned at the time. It only seemed to come out in the post match analysis.
So, I think it is reasonable to assume that the VAR officials may not have picked up on it at the time. Who knows what video monitor they are looking at when it happened live, it may not have even been picked up on the monitor they were looking at. The ball was out of play at the time, and it was an unusual incident so not something I'd expect VAR officials to be all over. And, as far as I'm aware, when a player scores direct from a free kick, the officials don't really want to hold play, so they can have a minute or so to review exactly what happened between a free kick being given and it being taken, just in case the ball might not be exactly in the spot of the foul.
Had the Forest players been switched on, noticed what happened, they could have told the referee. He could have then asked VAR to have a check. But that never happened.
You make a good point. I can't believe no-one managed to see it though. Can't condone Toney's behaviour though as it still amounts to cheating gain an advantage
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
Mid season predictions:
Champions: Man City
2nd: Liverpool
3rd: Arsenal
4th: Tottenham
5th: Villa
Relegated: Sheffield United, Burnley, Palace
League Cup: Liverpool
FA Cup: Man City
Champions League: Real Madrid
Europa League: Liverpool
Europa Conference: Villa
Champions: Man City
2nd: Liverpool
3rd: Arsenal
4th: Tottenham
5th: Villa
Relegated: Sheffield United, Burnley, Palace
League Cup: Liverpool
FA Cup: Man City
Champions League: Real Madrid
Europa League: Liverpool
Europa Conference: Villa
Swango1980
Well-known member
It probably is. But given there are many sports, especially football, where bending the rules is common place, then I can understand why many might think it is not cheating. As I said, I think it has literally been highlighted by the vanishing spray. Whereas had he done the same thing in the days before vanishing spray, then many would just see it as him teeing the ball up for a better lie, so to speak.
I'd just be really annoyed by the Forest players in the wall, but maybe a lesson has been learned. One guy in the wall, probably the end guy, needs to remain focused on the ball. Especially after him and the keeper have lined the wall up. Make sure the ball isn't moved, and if it is, alert the referee.
D
Deleted member 15344
Guest
Watching MOTD2 and I’m struggling to come to a conclusion in regards Tierney
It’s very well know that there is an issue with him and the club - the stats when he is a referee is quite telling
Now watching the incidents yesterday im just puzzled how VAR didn’t intervene for the tackle against Diaz and the penalty shoot against Jota
I just don’t know if it’s some sub conscious bias from him to not give anything or he is just a poor ref
It’s very well know that there is an issue with him and the club - the stats when he is a referee is quite telling
Now watching the incidents yesterday im just puzzled how VAR didn’t intervene for the tackle against Diaz and the penalty shoot against Jota
I just don’t know if it’s some sub conscious bias from him to not give anything or he is just a poor ref
4LEX
Well-known member
Anyone noticed despite Kane getting a load of goals, it looks like he could end up trophyless at Bayern? They're falling further behind Leverkusen and were terrible yesterday.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Liverpool win 4-0 away from home, and some Liverpool fans still suggesting some bias against Liverpool from officials. Are they corrupt? 
Personally, I didn't think it was a red card tackle at all on Diaz. And I've heard various football pundits say the same since the match. I simply think it was a foul that sometimes is considered red, sometimes not. So, if it is subjective, then VAR was surely correct in not intervening?
I also didn't think the challenge on Jota was definitely a foul, or just a coming together? I've heard others say the same, so again if it isn't stone wall, then VAR were correct in not getting involved. I thought there was more reason for VAR to intervene in West Ham game when Bowen was rugby tackled, albeit I'd need to double check Bowen wasn't dragging down the defender just before the images I saw. But if Bowen should have got the penalty, I'd suspect the VAR official was not biased against West Ham.
Every team gets bad decisions against them in the mind of fans. There are only a limited number of referees, so inevitably probability suggests some of those referees will be responsible for several of those bad decisions. I wonder how many good decisions Tierney has given in Liverpool's favour, where the opposition have been upset by the decision? I doubt football fans keep track of the officials who awarded "dodgy" decisions in their favour, yet are crystal clear on the decisions that go against them.
Personally, I didn't think it was a red card tackle at all on Diaz. And I've heard various football pundits say the same since the match. I simply think it was a foul that sometimes is considered red, sometimes not. So, if it is subjective, then VAR was surely correct in not intervening?
I also didn't think the challenge on Jota was definitely a foul, or just a coming together? I've heard others say the same, so again if it isn't stone wall, then VAR were correct in not getting involved. I thought there was more reason for VAR to intervene in West Ham game when Bowen was rugby tackled, albeit I'd need to double check Bowen wasn't dragging down the defender just before the images I saw. But if Bowen should have got the penalty, I'd suspect the VAR official was not biased against West Ham.
Every team gets bad decisions against them in the mind of fans. There are only a limited number of referees, so inevitably probability suggests some of those referees will be responsible for several of those bad decisions. I wonder how many good decisions Tierney has given in Liverpool's favour, where the opposition have been upset by the decision? I doubt football fans keep track of the officials who awarded "dodgy" decisions in their favour, yet are crystal clear on the decisions that go against them.
Swango1980
Well-known member
That is the definition of Spursy. A team that has many goals scored by Kane, but can't win trophies. Bayern clearly wanted to become Spursy. And now they've got Dier as well, and looking to get Trippier, they are well on their way to become the European Spurs.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I'm sure they'll still win it. 7 points behind but with a game in hand and I can't see Leverkusen remaining unbeaten all season?
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Can't wait to see them recruit Danny Rose as well.
Swango1980
Well-known member
They don't have to remain unbeaten, unless Bayern can pretty much remain unbeaten and win nearly all their games, which may also be a tough ask for them. Mind you, I don't watch German football, so not sure if Leverkusen have been immense, or rode their luck.
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Liverpool fans seem to remember EVERY decision that doesn’t go their way,then watch other games and say “if that was us”Liverpool win 4-0 away from home, and some Liverpool fans still suggesting some bias against Liverpool from officials. Are they corrupt?
Personally, I didn't think it was a red card tackle at all on Diaz. And I've heard various football pundits say the same since the match. I simply think it was a foul that sometimes is considered red, sometimes not. So, if it is subjective, then VAR was surely correct in not intervening?
I also didn't think the challenge on Jota was definitely a foul, or just a coming together? I've heard others say the same, so again if it isn't stone wall, then VAR were correct in not getting involved. I thought there was more reason for VAR to intervene in West Ham game when Bowen was rugby tackled, albeit I'd need to double check Bowen wasn't dragging down the defender just before the images I saw. But if Bowen should have got the penalty, I'd suspect the VAR official was not biased against West Ham.
Every team gets bad decisions against them in the mind of fans. There are only a limited number of referees, so inevitably probability suggests some of those referees will be responsible for several of those bad decisions. I wonder how many good decisions Tierney has given in Liverpool's favour, where the opposition have been upset by the decision? I doubt football fans keep track of the officials who awarded "dodgy" decisions in their favour, yet are crystal clear on the decisions that go against them.
SO hard done by
D
Deleted member 21784
Guest
Liverpool fans seem to remember EVERY decision that doesn’t go their way,then watch other games and say “if that was us”
SO hard done by
I really don't see an issue with bias , I see an issue of incompetence of the officials
We saw in our game aswell
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
Agreed,it happens to all clubs
D
Deleted member 15344
Guest
Liverpool win 4-0 away from home, and some Liverpool fans still suggesting some bias against Liverpool from officials. Are they corrupt?
Personally, I didn't think it was a red card tackle at all on Diaz. And I've heard various football pundits say the same since the match. I simply think it was a foul that sometimes is considered red, sometimes not. So, if it is subjective, then VAR was surely correct in not intervening?
I also didn't think the challenge on Jota was definitely a foul, or just a coming together? I've heard others say the same, so again if it isn't stone wall, then VAR were correct in not getting involved. I thought there was more reason for VAR to intervene in West Ham game when Bowen was rugby tackled, albeit I'd need to double check Bowen wasn't dragging down the defender just before the images I saw. But if Bowen should have got the penalty, I'd suspect the VAR official was not biased against West Ham.
Every team gets bad decisions against them in the mind of fans. There are only a limited number of referees, so inevitably probability suggests some of those referees will be responsible for several of those bad decisions. I wonder how many good decisions Tierney has given in Liverpool's favour, where the opposition have been upset by the decision? I doubt football fans keep track of the officials who awarded "dodgy" decisions in their favour, yet are crystal clear on the decisions that go against them.
Interesting
UPDATED: Detailed Analysis: The Alarming, Abnormal Data of Paul Tierney and Liverpool FC
[FREE READ]. If the PGMOL sees sense, we can all stop talking about Tierney (please!)
tomkinstimes.substack.com
Diaz tackle is an interesting one
Is this a red card
There was quite a bit of debate at the time and it was deemed by many a red card
That’s no different to the Kluivert tackle on Diaz , now i don’t think there are any issues with the ref not seeing it because happen quickly but VAR
- both should be treated the same. If Jones is a red card then so is Kluiverts - and I think there have been multiple cases of the same sort of tackle and there has prob been different outcomes
So the main crux is the lack of consistency from the referees -all teams will have mistakes , so far we have had a couple of high profile ones and so have others , that doesn’t mean it’s right , we got lucky that it didn’t affect the result this time but other teams and including us have had result affected by VAR
and the Jota penalty - defender just took him out
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
If it happens to all clubs that includes Liverpool dosnt it.Agreed,it happens to all clubs
Its just incompetence and inconsistency from refs and VAR.
I think the fans have a real case to complain after Sunday!
D
Deleted member 21784
Guest
At least you won, we had a dodgy pen given against us then a clear pen not given second after that pen was scored
Is that the “dodgy pen” where the keeper took out the player and got nowhere near the ball?
