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Orikoru said:
Probably laugh and blame her mum. :LOL:


Swearing in the way they have is just an expression of anger, like swearing when you drop something on your foot. If they walked up to the ref got in his face and swore at him that's completely different to my mind. Must admit, watching the video again Jorginho's was borderline to that, as he seemed to be half-approaching the ref at the time.

I just don't see swearing as a big deal, in life or in sport. I find it all silly. If you choose not to be offended then it's just a word, a different jumble of letters. The ref here maybe had the same view point, quite happy for the players to blow off steam with a bit of swearing after a decision. Booking them all probably just winds them up and creates more problems to deal with down the line. It's about game management for him. No point overreacting to every swearword he hears.
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Think these replies say a lot about your character tbh.

The fact that you’d laugh if your daughter told a ref to FO is appalling, but that is exactly the behaviour shown by parents across the country all too often.

Arguably the refs only have themselves to blame, it should have been stamped out sooner, but the lack of respect shown just shouldn’t be acceptable “in the heat of the moment” or not.
 
SteveW86 said:
Think these replies say a lot about your character tbh.

The fact that you’d laugh if your daughter told a ref to FO is appalling, but that is exactly the behaviour shown by parents across the country all too often.

Arguably the refs only have themselves to blame, it should have been stamped out sooner, but the lack of respect shown just shouldn’t be acceptable “in the heat of the moment” or not.
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I was joking obviously, my little girl is an angel, she would never do that.

I'm just saying I don't think swearing itself is a big deal, it's how you swear. Shouting 'oh FO' when you hear the whistle isn't the same as directly abusing the ref, in my book. A lot of us swear in quick moments of anguish like that. I don't think I want a football where every piece of swearing over a decision is a yellow card. It's bad enough already with the amount of cards flying around nowadays.
 
Orikoru said:
I was joking obviously, my little girl is an angel, she would never do that.

I'm just saying I don't think swearing itself is a big deal, it's how you swear. Shouting 'oh FO' when you hear the whistle isn't the same as directly abusing the ref, in my book. A lot of us swear in quick moments of anguish like that. I don't think I want a football where every piece of swearing over a decision is a yellow card. It's bad enough already with the amount of cards flying around nowadays.
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You do understand that we are talking about players swearing at the ref as opposed to someone just quietly swearing to themselves when they make a mistake etc - you understand the difference yes ?

Jorginho was a perfect example , was blown up for a pull on a players shirt ( blatant ) - turned around and swore at the ref - clear as day. Prob should have been two yellows - shirt pull and then the abusive language
 
Liverpoolphil said:
You do understand that we are talking about players swearing at the ref as opposed to someone just quietly swearing to themselves when they make a mistake etc - you understand the difference yes ?

Jorginho was a perfect example , was blown up for a pull on a players shirt ( blatant ) - turned around and swore at the ref - clear as day. Prob should have been two yellows - shirt pull and then the abusive language
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I did say Jorginho's was borderline, wouldn't have minded him getting a yellow for that since he presumably was looking straight at the ref (out of shot on the vid). Odegaard though just seems to be swearing into the air or to anyone who'll listen.
 
There is no need to swear at the ref, in the heat of the moment or otherwise. And there’s pretty much no excuse for it. It is part of the game, or should I say it’s ingrained in the game. It’s ingrained in rugby not to swear at the ref, which proves its achievable. I’d argue that rugby is more blood and thunder than football, yet players behave themselves 95% of the time. Almost every single footballer pushes the boundaries every single game.

So how can the culture be changed? It’s not hard. Yellow card every single time. It’s worked with players taking their shirts off after scoring. Yes there’s the odd one but it’s pretty much stopped. They made great strides in stopping players kicking the ball away, or blocking the quick taking of a free kick but have eased off. Hell, if needs be take a leaf out of rugby’s book and threaten to send the captain off. Believe me, you do not want to be responsible for getting your skip sent off.
 
Hobbit said:
There is no need to swear at the ref, in the heat of the moment or otherwise. And there’s pretty much no excuse for it. It is part of the game, or should I say it’s ingrained in the game. It’s ingrained in rugby not to swear at the ref, which proves its achievable. I’d argue that rugby is more blood and thunder than football, yet players behave themselves 95% of the time. Almost every single footballer pushes the boundaries every single game.

So how can the culture be changed? It’s not hard. Yellow card every single time. It’s worked with players taking their shirts off after scoring. Yes there’s the odd one but it’s pretty much stopped. They made great strides in stopping players kicking the ball away, or blocking the quick taking of a free kick but have eased off. Hell, if needs be take a leaf out of rugby’s book and threaten to send the captain off. Believe me, you do not want to be responsible for getting your skip sent off.
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Would the referee need to be fluent in 50+ languages then to determine whether all of the foreign players have sworn in their own language? Or do they get a free pass and only yellow cards for the English speakers?
 
I was once sent off for swearing at a ref. I was playing upfront in a cup semi-final, someone put me through, I rounded the keeper, and put it away, only for the ref - who was 50 yards behind - to give offside. I was well on, and in my frustration said "you've got to be effing kidding". Red card straight out, 5 week ban for foul and abusive language, and missed the final.

Was gutted and harboured a deep-seated sense of injustice, but never swore at a ref again.
 
Tashyboy said:
Some of the antics yesterday happened because the ref early doors failed to stamp his authority, coupled with the fact that once more we didn’t get consistency from him. It was always going to be a game that was deeply analysed. It is beyond me how a ref can accept a player telling him to F Off and do nothing. Especially when it is a nailed on foul. Yet he can give a booking because a player has kicked a ball away.
For me the officials this season have been shocking. With or without VAR
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And in Scotland we can only dream of getting Ref's of that quality in our league.
I thought he was brilliant.
 
Orikoru said:
Would the referee need to be fluent in 50+ languages then to determine whether all of the foreign players have sworn in their own language? Or do they get a free pass and only yellow cards for the English speakers?
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If the tone and obvious intent is there, send them off and let them appeal. Funnily enough, rugby referees manage international matches ok.
 
Orikoru said:
Would the referee need to be fluent in 50+ languages then to determine whether all of the foreign players have sworn in their own language? Or do they get a free pass and only yellow cards for the English speakers?
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Stop looking for excuses - officials in other sports manage it with no issues.

Its just typical attitude of modern football and at times reflects the attitudes of the fans

I remember when Mascherano got sent off for shouting at Bennett - it seemed like a land in the sand moment especially after a decade of players surrounding the referee , everyone was applauding it but within two weeks players were back to doing it after managers complained that it was harsh , heat of the moment and all the other buzz phrases used to excuse poor behaviour

It all comes down to respect - players and managers have a lack of respect for officials regardless of how well they do - and it’s time that officials got a grip and not be afraid of throwing players to the stands for any disrespect and behaviour that shouldn’t be allowed
 
Orikoru said:
I was joking obviously, my little girl is an angel, she would never do that.

I'm just saying I don't think swearing itself is a big deal, it's how you swear. Shouting 'oh FO' when you hear the whistle isn't the same as directly abusing the ref, in my book. A lot of us swear in quick moments of anguish like that. I don't think I want a football where every piece of swearing over a decision is a yellow card. It's bad enough already with the amount of cards flying around nowadays.
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I really don’t think Elliot was booked for swearing ! Could a ref even hear it with the crowd ?
It was for the wave of the arm. Refs don’t like that. But Gunners players did the same and got nothing!
Consistency is all we want but are not getting it
 
SteveW86 said:
I’m not offended by casual swearing, but this isn’t that.

The problem for me is the example it sets that the behaviour is acceptable. It filters down to grassroots levels, but also everyday life.

How would you react if your daughter was playing at school age and she told the ref to FO because she disagree with their decision?
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I'd be absolutely shocked to the core ............................ I didn't know I had a daughter! :eek:
 
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