The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 1740]

Clubs, managers, players were all warned about dissent this year. If any lack the intelligence to take that on board, up to them.

Just from a simple point of decency it's pathetic and embarrassing. Abusing officials isn't passion, try that line with the refs association at local level.

The biggest issue , and i have a tiny bit of sympathy, is the application of the rule is so varied and inconsistent. It muat be all or none.

Whenever these new directives are brought in theres a zero tolerance for 3 weeks, then nothing gets done for 10 weeks, then a ref will book a player for kicking a ball away and fans are up in arms because for the last 10weeks the rules haven't been applied.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Do you know what corruption is? There has to be some sort of strong conscious decision behind someone doing corrupt things.

Never heard of anyone being subconsciously corrupt

You cant accuse a team of getting "sub concious bias" then pull someone else up for making a comment of "it stunk of corruption".

The ref has made the decision. Accept it and suck it up. He's only human afterall.

I've missed your condemnation of Dalot.

 

[clubchamp98]

Let's talk about consistency then. Nunez barges into Evans, ref stops game, and Nunez kicks ball away. Nunez gets booked for foul, but presumably ref let him off for booting the ball away. Then, Nunez walks off, looks over to ref and starts to applaud him sarcastically.

Could have had 3 yellow cards, but sure, he isn't going to do that to a Liverpool player at Anfield. He might not even have done it to any player earlier in game. But to send a Man Utd player off at Anfield in injury time, he can make himself a legend with the crowd and potentially avoid too much controversy.

No idea why he acted as he did, but the sending off was petty beyond belief by the referee

I thought he made the gesture to Nunez that he was booked for kicking the ball away.
I might be wrong .

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Or how about doing it for one player but not for another IN THE SAME GAME?

Slimey dear boy that happens every week in every game.

 

[Red devil]

If thats the case then I stand corrected, i was on row 83 of the main stand so although it was below me it looked like it came off Dalot from where i was.

Irrespective of that Dalot only has himself to blame.

Refs dont change their minds after they make a decision.

I agree Dalot was petulant. But yes it came off Salah's toe

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I agree Dalot was petulant. But yes it came off Salah's toe

To be fair to Oliver he's not seeing the final touch from the position he was in.

 

[Red devil]

To be fair to Oliver he's not seeing the final touch from the position he was in.

No, it happened in the blink of an eye

 

[4LEX]

Sure it's been said but that was one of the worst games of the season. Man Utd were nothing short of embarrassing (bar 15 minutes when Klopp messed his subs up) and played like a bankrupt Mourinho side. Liverpool were miles off the pace. Depressingly it looks like City will sign a few in January, get KDB back and go on a silly run and win it again. Arsenal and Liverpool both have missing pieces that won't be fixed in January.

 

[4LEX]

Let's talk about consistency then. Nunez barges into Evans, ref stops game, and Nunez kicks ball away. Nunez gets booked for foul, but presumably ref let him off for booting the ball away. Then, Nunez walks off, looks over to ref and starts to applaud him sarcastically.

Could have had 3 yellow cards, but sure, he isn't going to do that to a Liverpool player at Anfield. He might not even have done it to any player earlier in game. But to send a Man Utd player off at Anfield in injury time, he can make himself a legend with the crowd and potentially avoid too much controversy.

No idea why he acted as he did, but the sending off was petty beyond belief by the referee

I saw that and thought Nunez was a fool and quite lucky to avoid a red for two bookings. Dalot deserved to go but under the same rules, Nunez deserved to go too. The reality is the ref bottled it and didn't have the minerals to send Nunez off early in the game. If Dalot did what he did at the same point he would've stayed on too. It's a case of refs being not fit for purpose.

 

[clubchamp98]

Shocking from the ref in the Brentford game.
Hes got the best view in the ground but thought it was yellow.
Var disagreed .
so he changed his mind.
Just shows seeing it live isn’t as good as several replays.

It was a red var was correct so why didn’t the ref?

 

[ColchesterFC]

To be fair to Oliver he's not seeing the final touch from the position he was in.

If that's the case and he didn't see or doesn't know who it came off, shouldn't he be giving the decision to the defending team? I don't know the answer but ask because we had a ref in my boy's match a few weeks ago who said exactly that. Before the game he told both managers that if he wasn't sure which way the decision should go he would award it to the defence and both managers accepted that.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

If that's the case and he didn't see or doesn't know who it came off, shouldn't he be giving the decision to the defending team? I don't know the answer but ask because we had a ref in my boy's match a few weeks ago who said exactly that. Before the game he told both managers that if he wasn't sure which way the decision should go he would award it to the defence and both managers accepted that.

That sounds more like his way of dealing with things without an assistant

Elite (lol) refs have the assistants and help. Also are suppose to be better quality

 

[Swango1980]

You cant accuse a team of getting "sub concious bias" then pull someone else up for making a comment of "it stunk of corruption".

The ref has made the decision. Accept it and suck it up. He's only human afterall.

I've missed your condemnation of Dalot.

Of course I can, and I did.

We all know officials can be influenced by sub conscious bias. It is human nature and been going on for years and years. It is exactly why it has always been said the decisions often go the way of many of the big clubs, especially at home.

Corruption is something in which a referee would intentionally make the wrong decisions. It would be fraud and the referee would potentially be being bribed to make those corrupt decisions.

I didn't say Dalot shouldn't be dealt with. Yellow card, fine. Two yellows to essentially punish him in effectively the same phase of heightened emotion, a joke.

 

[ColchesterFC]

That sounds more like his way of dealing with things without an assistant

Elite (lol) refs have the assistants and help. Also are suppose to be better quality

Assistant was on the other side of the pitch (I think) so no chance of him seeing it from there. I wonder how many decisions there are in each game where the ref simply guesses what the decision should be?

 

[Dando]

Assistant was on the other side of the pitch (I think) so no chance of him seeing it from there. I wonder how many decisions there are in each game where the ref simply guesses what the decision should be?

Watching some of the games I’d say 95% of decisions are guesses

 

[Swango1980]

Assistant was on the other side of the pitch (I think) so no chance of him seeing it from there. I wonder how many decisions there are in each game where the ref simply guesses what the decision should be?

Many. I had a mate that did it. It is humanly impossible for a referee to 100% see what happened in every circumstance, yet they clearly have to make a decision one way or another.

Easy to see how it would be impossible for Oliver to 100% know who the ball came off last when going out for a throw in, but he has to give it to someone. So he makes his best educated guess. No problem with that generally. But it is an emotional and passionate game, for players and fans. So when things go against you, it is also human nature to have a frustrated emotional response. Sure, book players if it is OTT. Send them off if they are threatening or say something horrifically bad. Just don't book them twice for effectively the same act of being frustrated.

It feels like the law makers are trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Yellow cards are like confetti, albeit still with massive inconsistency.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

If that's the case and he didn't see or doesn't know who it came off, shouldn't he be giving the decision to the defending team? I don't know the answer but ask because we had a ref in my boy's match a few weeks ago who said exactly that. Before the game he told both managers that if he wasn't sure which way the decision should go he would award it to the defence and both managers accepted that.

Shouldnt it be advantage to the attacker?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I thought he made the gesture to Nunez that he was booked for kicking the ball away.
I might be wrong .

He did. I thought it waa a dubious foul anyway.

If Dalot doesnt get sent off nothing gets mentioned about Nunez.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The biggest issue , and i have a tiny bit of sympathy, is the application of the rule is so varied and inconsistent. It muat be all or none.

Whenever these new directives are brought in theres a zero tolerance for 3 weeks, then nothing gets done for 10 weeks, then a ref will book a player for kicking a ball away and fans are up in arms because for the last 10weeks the rules haven't been applied.

Inconsistency is probably the most annoying part of reffing, wouldn't disagree. Abuse towards refs drives me nuts though. Easy to resolve, will Dalot mouth off next time he plays?, but the league and refs have bottled it over the years. I hoped, foolishly, that this would be the year that the abuse ended but clearly not yet. I'd like to see Oliver's actions repeated for the rest of the season, it will soon stop then. Will it? Neither of us will be holding our breath

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Inconsistency is probably the most annoying part of reffing, wouldn't disagree. Abuse towards refs drives me nuts though. Easy to resolve, will Dalot mouth off next time he plays?, but the league and refs have bottled it over the years. I hoped, foolishly, that this would be the year that the abuse ended but clearly not yet. I'd like to see Oliver's actions repeated for the rest of the season, it will soon stop then. Will it? Neither of us will be holding our breath

Oliver wont consistently repeat his actions because he wont be backed by his bosses. His colleagues wont back him up neither.

Look at how the FA responded to City players circling around Simon Hooper v Spurs. Any initiative to respect refs will be futile.

On a seperate note refs dont interact with players no more. Rarely do you see refs explaining their decisions.