Orikoru
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If that is the scenario all you'll see is the armband move to a different player if the original captain gets booked.
Get a team to nominate the captain before the game, probably happens now. That person remains captain for as long as they are on the pitch, no matter who you give the armband to. Problem solved.
Tashyboy
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This all day long, however where it will fail will be the inconsistency of that being Implemented from game to game.
Swango1980
Well-known member
I'd say the treatment of players towards referees is only part of the problem.
Another big factor is the treatment of the press towards referees. This may be the biggest problem, because highlights, stories and opinions get repeated over and over and over again and really stir up emotions of the fans.
After the match, pundits will slam the referee for any decision they got wrong (or, in the view of the pundit at least), and will use very strong language about how shocking and ridiculous the decision was, and that the person was not fit to be a referee. Newspapers will write unflattering headlines towards a referee. And, fans on social media will be scathing towards officials. Just go back and read some of the critical comments towards referees on this forum. Many will go beyond giving an opinion on why the decision should have been different, and move on to becoming very insulting to the referee.
So, if referees started booking more players, or booking captains, it would be interesting to see if that would turn the tide. Because, although it will be applauded by fans when occurring to players in other teams, when it happens to their own captain they will often slate the referee for over-reacting and being biased. Pundits will do exactly the same, and ultimately the referees will still get no respect.
Another big factor is the treatment of the press towards referees. This may be the biggest problem, because highlights, stories and opinions get repeated over and over and over again and really stir up emotions of the fans.
After the match, pundits will slam the referee for any decision they got wrong (or, in the view of the pundit at least), and will use very strong language about how shocking and ridiculous the decision was, and that the person was not fit to be a referee. Newspapers will write unflattering headlines towards a referee. And, fans on social media will be scathing towards officials. Just go back and read some of the critical comments towards referees on this forum. Many will go beyond giving an opinion on why the decision should have been different, and move on to becoming very insulting to the referee.
So, if referees started booking more players, or booking captains, it would be interesting to see if that would turn the tide. Because, although it will be applauded by fans when occurring to players in other teams, when it happens to their own captain they will often slate the referee for over-reacting and being biased. Pundits will do exactly the same, and ultimately the referees will still get no respect.
GB72
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Thing is, clubs at the professional level could solve this in 2 minutes. Simple rule, captain or vice captain talks to ref, anyone else seen talking to gesturing to or abusing the ref gets fined a weeks wages. Suspect the problem would solve itself pretty quickly.
Orikoru
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Does the captain still get a suspension for this type of red card??
At Sunday League level they introduced sin bins for dissent and such about 4 years ago. Has there not been any talk of bringing that into the professional game?
Suspension, heck yes. Why shouldn't they? The whole point is that this should effectively bring about self policing. If the captain gets sent off because of other players mouthing off then they should sort that player out. It would soon work, or the gobby player would stop getting picked because the manager can not afford to pick a player causing a red card every other game.
I think they tried sin bins a few years ago but bottled it and gave up quickly. I played hockey for many years and sin bins were hugely effective in that sport. So easy to use but football lacks the bottle to see these things through. There is initial pain but it soon sorts itself out as players learn.
These new rules / regulations look excellent, they just need the backbone to enforce them now. If they do, football will be better for it.
GB72
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Sadly at the highest level it is all about the product. It could be enforced for a few weeks, you will then get endless hours of pundits and call ins complaining about how it is ruining the game and ruining the product and then it will be watered down and disappear. Amazing how many people I suspect would rather their team win a match than actually do something that may improve the game at all levels.
Used to be the process in rugby Union. Long time since I played… not sure what happens now.
Been saying similar for years. Only the captain is allowed to speak to the ref. Anyone else approaching him gets an immediate yellow card. The solution really is very simple.
Swango1980
Well-known member
That could prove controversial, for such a defined penalty. Some players could be on a few hundred a week, others could be on half a million. I'll await accusations towards referees on treating players on higher wages more harshly to get bigger fines, or vice versa with some referees being more lenient to the highest paid stars for fear of criticism.
I still think the sin bin is a great idea. And then match suspensions for a defined number of sin bin offences.
GB72
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There does not really need to be room for controversy. Captain and vice captain and communicate with the ref, anyone else communicates wiht the ref in a way that it not in response to the ref addressing them, fine issued. The weeks wages just makes it fair across the board, the fne is 1/52nd of your salary. That stops the issue of the fine being lets say £5000 and that could be everything or nothing to different players.
If you went down the sin bin route, again, easy enough to make it mean something, 3 sin bins for a player is a ban, 10 sin bins for a club is a point deduction. That would clear it up almost over night.
Fade and Die
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The whole transfer policy at West Ham is ridiculous and you have to blame the owner.
Moyes in-spite of whatever his critics say (me
) has got West Ham into Europe 3 years running, he has earned the right to identify his own targets and go for them. Sullivan has got a director of football in who is also identifying targets, also in the background is Mark Noble whose role is undefined. Neither party can agree on a target so that’s why we are the only premier league club not to have signed a senior player!
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Lots of good ideas just from us on here.
It really points to a lack of will from the PL and FA.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
According to reports it isn’t looking good financially for Forest. All the players signed last year has left them with massive fees for agents which they now can’t afford to pay, along with bonuses for staying up last season. Apparently they owe millions with legal action being threatened.
Should I tell Sean Dyche to prepare for a fire sale?
Crackers if true. They know the money coming in from the PL, can no one there do big sums?
Beezerk
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Where have you heard this? A mate (big Forest fan) who usually has his ear to ground knows nothing about it
Neilds
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I have to admit it was in the Mail website so make of that what you willWhere have you heard this? A mate (big Forest fan) who usually has his ear to ground knows nothing about it
Swango1980
Well-known member
I've simply Googled "Nottingham Forest" and there is a report related to that story by the Daily Mail, but not much from elsewhere. I'd probably wait until more reliable sources appearWhere have you heard this? A mate (big Forest fan) who usually has his ear to ground knows nothing about it
