The Footie Thread

[nickjdavis]

Newcastle making heavy weather of Leicester.

Again spurning chance after chance like the Leeds and Sheff W games.

Has all the makings of a late Leicester smash and grab to me.

 

[Slime]

An absolute lesson in possession, but not in finishing.
Garnacho is the tormentor in chief but he has to improve his final ball.
Maguire's passing has been absolutely superb.

 

[Beezerk]

Newcastle making heavy weather of Leicester.

Again spurning chance after chance like the Leeds and Sheff W games.

Has all the makings of a late Leicester smash and grab to me.

This aged well ?

 

[Slime]

 

[Slime]

 

[nickjdavis]

This aged well ?

Should have been a lot more comfortable than 2. Dont think Leicester would have complained if they were 3 down at half time. When Joelinton hit the post in the first 30 seconds of the 2nd half I honestly thought it wasnt going to be our night.

Even then Vardy had one outstanding chance to grab a goal but fluffed it with only Pope to beat and then had a slightly tougher chance a couple of minutes later.

So used to disappointment and late crushing defeat are Newcastle fans that nothing is ever really taken for granted until the final whistle goes.

 

[Slime]

Job done this evening with the only downside being an injury to Dalot.
Garnacho was unplayable this evening.
Rashford was ............................... just Rashford, absolutely on fire right now.

 

[BrianM]

I think you have missed the point

Put him at say villa he looks average to good but at Liverpool he is outstanding because he has the players around him

You could say that about any player, look at Messi in his prime, he had Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Suarez, Fabregas, Sanchez and Neymar around him, sure he’s world class, but doesn’t half make it easier with that squad.
Would he be as good and have the records he does playing for Tenerife ?

 

[Swango1980]

You could say that about any player, look at Messi in his prime, he had Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Suarez, Fabregas, Sanchez and Neymar around him, sure he’s world class, but doesn’t half make it easier with that squad.
Would he be as good and have the records he does playing for Tenerife ?

If he played for Tenerife, his records would be unbelievable. He'd probably score about 10 goals a game

Top players like Messi would stand out as being unbelievable, no matter who they play for. Sure, his scoring records would be nowhere near as good if he played for Burnley or Southampton as opposed to Barcelona. But, he would still have stood out as being unbelievable. And I imagine that there are plenty of examples in the past where more average or poor sides have had players that have stood out a mile as being fantastic (e.g. from memory, Okacha at Bolton, Di Canio at West Ham, etc)

But, it depends on the type of player, what your skill sets are and how the team play that you play with. If Andy Robertson played for a weak side, he wouldn't necessarily come across as an average or poor defender, unless the defence as a whole is horrific and they bring him down to their level. He may well come across as a good and capable defender. But, they may play a system that we never really see how good he is at supporting the attack, and so nobody could really throw in the argument "he is wonderful at getting assists". He could be spending 70% of the game defending his own box. The point is, he plays for Liverpool, who play in such a way that get the most of his attacking attributes, and they can be used to praise his ability much more clearly.

For some players, it may also work in reverse, where they may perform better at "weaker" sides. I'm thinking Wan Bissaka who is a good defender, and plays well when that is pretty much all he needs to do. Yet when he needs to attack, and defend the counter-attack, he struggles. I guess there are plenty of goalkeepers who shine in weaker sides, when they've a lot of saves to make, yet they somehow can't meet the level of playing for one of the top sides, when they may only have 1 or 2 saves to make a match, and it is more about playing with your feet and having better concentration levels.

 

[Bdill93]

Last Jan villa brought Digne (LB) for 25 million - hes been very disappointing so far.

This Jan villa are buying Moreno for approx £12 million

Neither players are young so not likely to get any re-sale value.

Fingers crossed Moreno is the answer because we cant just keep signing LB's

 

[PJ87]

You could say that about any player, look at Messi in his prime, he had Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro, Suarez, Fabregas, Sanchez and Neymar around him, sure he’s world class, but doesn’t half make it easier with that squad.
Would he be as good and have the records he does playing for Tenerife ?

Different story. Look at grealish at villa, payet at West ham

Players who drag a team forward

Messi is another level .. that argie squad is average as a squad he got them to the world cup final and won it

 

[BrianM]

Different story. Look at grealish at villa, payet at West ham

Players who drag a team forward

Messi is another level .. that argie squad is average as a squad he got them to the world cup final and won it

Messi probably the wrong analogy due to positions played, hard to compare a left back to a forward.
All the people mentioned are more forward thinking players.

 

[nickjdavis]

well well well.

interesting

 

[nickjdavis]

oh....wow.

 

[davie24]

Never saw this coming. Has anyone checked on Tash?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Thanks for giving them confidence City ?. The least they can do 2nd half is kick em ?

 

[ColchesterFC]

Where's @Slime? I'm only here for the squirrel.

 

[Billysboots]

I am now totally confused by the offside rule. Totally.

Mo Salah scores a goal a few days ago which is allowed to stand despite him being in an offside position, the explanation given being that the glancing header by a defender started a new phase of play.

Che Adams has just scored against Man City, again in a blatantly offside position, a City defender having deflected the ball into his path. And it’s ruled out.

Can someone explain the difference?

 

[IanM]

You know the answer

 

[ColchesterFC]

I am now totally confused by the offside rule. Totally.

Mo Salah scores a goal a few days ago which is allowed to stand despite him being in an offside position, the explanation given being that the glancing header by a defender started a new phase of play.

Che Adams has just scored against Man City, again in a blatantly offside position, a City defender having deflected the ball into his path. And it’s ruled out.

Can someone explain the difference?