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The Footie Thread

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Liverpoolphil said:
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I recall all the way through the 90’s and 00’s Manc Fans lording it up and taking pleasure from Liverpool not winning the league and major trophies as Utd did

We didn’t play today so as an alternative I’m enjoying Man Utd and indeed Everton getting beat and propping up the table ??

Man Utd and their fans put themselves on a pedestal and the fall is very funny to watch.
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"They started it!" Genius.

Starting to remember why I fell out of love with football 25 years ago.
Boring, toxic, negative tribalism.
 
Slime said:
You can't blame a manager after just two games, surely, especially when you know the issue is the board.
And if you don't know that the Utd board is the issue, you don't understand football.
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He's had 10 weeks working with these players and ignored all advice from Rangnick. He's signed some bizarre players and has set the team up badly in both league games. Not just badly but amateur levels. Martinez is a decent technical player but won't ever cut it in the back four. To play him alongside Maguire is suicide. Early days yet agreed but to absolve him of any blame is why you're in this place.

Of course the owners and football set up is wrong, along with a lot of the dressing room. But this guy makes Ole look like a tactical genius. He at least knew the sides strengths and weaknesses and played to that.

It's far easier to change a manager on 150k a week than get rid of 10 players on a combined 2-3m a week not to even mention transfer fees.

ETH has got to step up big time or he'll be another De Boer.
 
4LEX said:
He's had 10 weeks working with these players and ignored all advice from Rangnick. He's signed some bizarre players and has set the team up badly in both league games. Not just badly but amateur levels. Martinez is a decent technical player but won't ever cut it in the back four. To play him alongside Maguire is suicide. Early days yet agreed but to absolve him of any blame is why you're in this place.

Of course the owners and football set up is wrong, along with a lot of the dressing room. But this guy makes Ole look like a tactical genius. He at least knew the sides strengths and weaknesses and played to that.

It's far easier to change a manager on 150k a week than get rid of 10 players on a combined 2-3m a week not to even mention transfer fees.

ETH has got to step up big time or he'll be another De Boer.
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I'm surprised by your first sentence. You absolutely slated Rangnick, yet now the new manager should have trusted his judgement. Not sure everything you said, but found this:

"Called it at the time but what an awful appointment Rangnick was. Zero experience of managing a top club and this role as a consultant was absurd. Clearly for the best Utd got rid of him but it shows nothing has changed, the club is still run by those who don't have a clue."

I'm going to bet that if ten Hag DID talk to RR, and signed a player based on that, you'd have slated him for that as well? :)
 
Swango1980 said:
It's 2 games in. Those players were absolutely abysmal last year. The manager has had a few friendlies with them, and when they get back to competitive action, you expect the manager should be able to get some magic out of them?

It has been proven that when they are up against strong opponents who close them down, they panic. When something goes wrong, they almost give up. There are probably 5 or 6 of them like that.

Pre season will have given him a false impression of these players. He will now have a much greater idea what they are truly like. Give him time to analyse it. He'll need time to truly understand how many of those players need to go.

But, he will need help from the club. He can tell them the sorts of players he needs. But, he can't be responsible for scouting players around the world. He'll need great scouts to ensure they get a good hit rate with signings, and a board that can get the deals done. Sadly, that is where things might crumble.

Ten Hag has my backing. I'm prepared to give him a good chance at least.
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100% he should be getting more out of them albeit after a short time.
The players are to blame as well,I’ve said that.
He’s not good enough,mark my words.
I saw an interview he did last week,a girl asked him many times what was different and what’s he changed.
He never answered but mentioned hard work about 10 times.
I knew then nothing had changed.
 
Oh I love when Manure has problems! 'Fans' reactions are 'wonderful'!
Now if only Liverpool can have similar - though I've nothing against either club, just the inane attitude of Football fans that both those clubs epitomise!
 
Swango1980 said:
I'm surprised by your first sentence. You absolutely slated Rangnick, yet now the new manager should have trusted his judgement. Not sure everything you said, but found this:

"Called it at the time but what an awful appointment Rangnick was. Zero experience of managing a top club and this role as a consultant was absurd. Clearly for the best Utd got rid of him but it shows nothing has changed, the club is still run by those who don't have a clue."

I'm going to bet that if ten Hag DID talk to RR, and signed a player based on that, you'd have slated him for that as well? :)
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Rangnick was a terrible appointment, I said so at the time way before it turned to crap and I was proven correct. Go back and quote me. He's more of a club builder and director of football type. I still question if his CV qualified him for the Utd job but after 6 months he knew what the players and set up were all about. He was signed on a 6 month manager and 24 month consultant deal. ETH ignored all his advice and went it alone. The Dutch are well known for their arrogance and ignorance. He's been schooled by two mid table sides and managers and is now trying to blame the club and players. He's a fraud, end of story. Cut your losses and get someone in who has a clue or else you'll struggle to finish top half.
 
pokerjoke said:
That’s a joke right
Fergie did it,and to good effect.
They had a water break,it looked like he hardly said a word.
Klopp does it.
Roy Keane would be berating these players demanding more.
We’ve got no-one.
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Thinking utd would improve by waving arms and shouting over 20k plus singing fans is the only daft comment. Getting a manager in who performs for the cameras on the touchline is phone in stuff. I hope the owners follow your advice, it will keep this run going for longer.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Thinking utd would improve by waving arms and shouting over 20k plus singing fans is the only daft comment. Getting a manager in who performs for the cameras on the touchline is phone in stuff. I hope the owners follow your advice, it will keep this run going for longer.
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So everyone shouting something when there’s a crowd of over 20,000 is wasting their breath?
There’s plenty of ways to communicate.
Do you watch football.
Have you not watched Pep or Klopp they do it every week.
 
pokerjoke said:
So everyone shouting something when there’s a crowd of over 20,000 is wasting their breath?
There’s plenty of ways to communicate.
Do you watch football.
Have you not watched Pep or Klopp they do it every week.
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To be fair though, Klopp and Pep are in charge of football teams ??
 
To be honest am a bit perplexed about how the focus has been on how dire Utd have been. It don’t seem to me that Brentford have had the credit they deserve. There’s a couple of things I have mentioned before and it is killing teams like Utd. Some of the lower teams have been massively organised, Once more Brentford were organised. If they can do it well against City, then against Utd is no problem. Shearer is saying now what I said last week about Fernandez. The team has no hunger or desire. Teams like Brighton and Brentford smell blood.
What shocked me was Utds inability to be able to play out of the back. It was worse than Division one standard. A long season ahead for Utd.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
??

I recall all the way through the 90’s and 00’s Manc Fans lording it up and taking pleasure from Liverpool not winning the league and major trophies as Utd did

We didn’t play today so as an alternative I’m enjoying Man Utd and indeed Everton getting beat and propping up the table ??

Man Utd and their fans put themselves on a pedestal and the fall is very funny to watch.
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I wasn't one of those ........................... and I don't expect to be on Monday week. :cry:
 
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