Swango1980
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Will Ramsey get the same volume of criticism as Lingard I wonder? Does he have a tiktok account?
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obviously not, he’s white ??
fundy
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Utterly gutted the way he was allowed to leave Arsenal (on a free too) was utterly top class on his day, struggled to regain his very best post injuries. Good attacking midfielder and scored goals when it really mattered a lot. But dont let him take penalties whatever you do!
If hes motivated and fully fit he'll be decent for you (albeit expect him and Lingaard may want to be in the same role/space)
Swango1980
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I'm sure some will look to make that argument.
I always see another factor in his case (and the likes of Sterling). Who are the biggest supported clubs in the UK - Man Utd and Liverpool. And they hate each other, and many other fans hate them. So, it is rare that any player that plays for either club gets a lot of love from other fans, especially from the opposing, hugely supported, rival club. Then, they do something that their own fans do not like (in Sterling's case, leave Liverpool, in Lingard's case, just generally not be good enough to get into a rubbish side). At that point, the easy option for most fans is to simply slate them (except for the fans of the club they end up with), and it is probably easiest for media outlets to dig the knife and sensationalise the general view of most fans. Harder for media to be really positive about that player when most of their readers / watchers want to read negative opinions on them. It's only easy to be positive when that player does something much better than average, at which point the media can write positive articles centred around the "back against the wall" scenario and underdog scenario.
I reckon playing for Liverpool or Man Utd can actually be a curse for many players (relative of course, I am not comparing footballers to the non-footballers, such as underpaid NHS staff), unless they really stand out and get the love of their own supporters (and maybe even England supporters).
Aztecs27
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Of course he won't - because he doesn't have a TikTok account or refer to himself as "A-Ramz" (probably
)...but both signings are essentially the same level of risk/reward.
Aztecs27
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The same reaction most of my arsenal supporting friends are giving, so that's encouraging! Fitness is a concern, obviously; but as has been mentioned, the right wage structure and incentives could really help it into another nice move.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62293635
Good to see, both for pitch invasions and people setting off flares.
Good to see, both for pitch invasions and people setting off flares.
Aztecs27
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Great news. I get that most people don't cause an issue and it's probably a great memory, but it's stupid and it's going to end up with one or more fans and/or footballers being seriously injured long term if it carries on.
It got very bad at the end of last season and they needed to do something to set down a line in the sand for this season early on. This is nice and clear, over to Darwinism now
Aztecs27
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Indeed. The absolute knobber that blind sided King Billy at the end of the Forest/Blades playoff game is exactly what the game doesn't need. The Sheffield United players weren't without incident either (McBurnie in particular), but it's more dangerous for the players, given the number of fans. Luckily the chap who body checked Billy Sharp was found and handed a lifetime ban from the City Ground days later - but it's good that this is now universal.It got very bad at the end of last season and they needed to do something to set down a line in the sand for this season early on. This is nice and clear, over to Darwinism now
3offTheTee
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Talking this morning to a guys that plays with us at golf, just joined our Club, played @Jumarih(spelling) and a bit full of himself. He is a big Man U fan, head covers, etc and said he wished Man U would sign De Jong.
I replied that they have not the pulling power of 10/15 years’ ago and player’s want Champions League Football to which he replied they had last season.
I did not try and explain that is in the past and walked away.
I do not support them but have ‘Yer United” Stu C take note the pulling power of the past?
I replied that they have not the pulling power of 10/15 years’ ago and player’s want Champions League Football to which he replied they had last season.
I did not try and explain that is in the past and walked away.
I do not support them but have ‘Yer United” Stu C take note the pulling power of the past?
That’s the problem with a sport which demands instant success - the players themselves want instant rewards.
What is wrong with joining a club which is at the start of a new journey? I happen to think with the signings of Eriksen and Martinez, if de Jong was also to jump on board United have every chance of a top four finish next season.
Swango1980
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It depends on the ambitions of the player (and forgetting personal preferences on things like what country they want to live in).
If you are at the peak of your career, or at end of it, then there may well be the desire to play in the Champions League. Fair enough
However, joining a club like Man Utd already puts you in a club with huge global following and sponsors. Champions League or not. There are not many clubs that offer that. No disrespect to Spurs, for example, but if a player joined Spurs they'd be in Champions League, yet if they joined Man Utd they become much more recognised globally. In my opinion.
So, joining a club like Man Utd is still going to be an attractive prospect to many good players. It also offers them a chance to, hopefully, go on a journey on the up. If it goes well, they could be heroes in the history of the club. They'd also get well paid.
There are a lot of decent players out there. They can't all sign for City and Liverpool. At any rate, the key signing by an absolute million miles is the manager. Hoping this appointment works out well, improves the playing style and builds on that by attracting the right players. Players that genuinely want to be there.
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Yernited are still globally a massive club.
They're miles away from having a team that can match their standing in world football.
It will take more than 3 marquee signings to get them back to where they once were 10+yrs ago.
Ten Haag needs time. 3 seasons should be the least he gets. They will have good wins/bad loses along the way, the board, fans and staff all need to be patient though.
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I admire your optimism but seeing the last 18 months of this current yernited squad, you need more than just 3 players.
With the amount of games crammed in the calendar upto November and the start of the World Cup, ten Haag wont have had had enough time on the training ground to get his ideas bedded in.
City,Liverpool, Spurs,Chelsea and Arsenal all have a proper playing structure in place which takes time.
I’ve been happy to give all of the post Ferguson managers time, Stu, providing there has been some tangible improvement, but we have just lurched from crisis to crisis.
Whilst accepting that much of that has to do with the total absence of a footballing structure above the manager, equally there has been no clear style of play, no plan and no vision. The buck for that stops with the managers.
I really like what I am seeing from Ten Haag. He strikes me as a real no nonsense kind of fella, with a clear idea of what he wants from his players. I also suspect the delay in his appointment being confirmed may well have been due, at least in part, to him setting out his own expectations.
Time will tell, but I feel more positive than I have done for some time that the club might, at long last, have a plan. If there is clear evidence of that plan, in terms of performance (not necessarily just results) AND incomings and outgoings of players, then I’m happy to give the manager time.
EDIT: We were posting at the same time. I agree more than three players are needed, but some already there may effectively perform like new signings - Sancho being the obvious example. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
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Gutted that our curse with injuries has struck again.
30 million new defender Aguerd injured in the game against rangers.. never just a knock these days .. straight down for an op on his ankle..
Ogbonna still missing last season (against liverpool where he did his ACL, he slowly working back.. playing for under 23s atm to get fitness)
Dawson is injured for a few weeks
so going into the season we have
Zouma and Diop.
Diop also wanted out because he knows once everyone fit he will be 5th choice lol
the joys
but on the bright side new striker Gianluca Scamacca should be signed today or tomorrow
still need a LB at least and now prob another CB to replace Diop if the fulham rumours are true
30 million new defender Aguerd injured in the game against rangers.. never just a knock these days .. straight down for an op on his ankle..
Ogbonna still missing last season (against liverpool where he did his ACL, he slowly working back.. playing for under 23s atm to get fitness)
Dawson is injured for a few weeks
so going into the season we have
Zouma and Diop.
Diop also wanted out because he knows once everyone fit he will be 5th choice lol
the joys
but on the bright side new striker Gianluca Scamacca should be signed today or tomorrow
still need a LB at least and now prob another CB to replace Diop if the fulham rumours are true
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Neymar embarrassing himself again in friendlies this time
Can’t stand the man. For all the undoubted talent his antics are beyond embarrassing. I know most do it to some extent, but he takes it to a new level.
clubchamp98
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Commentator seemed convinced.
What was the refs decision.?
Maybe a trial period !
Blatant diving in the area to get a pen should be a red that would stop it as yellow hasn’t.
