Slime
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That's one game a week .............................. and they get tired?
That's one game a week .............................. and they get tired?
clubchamp98
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Yes see the logic .
But when does a clear and obvious error get checked?
I can’t remember any ref admitting to one!
Swango1980
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They do every time they go to the screen and overturn their original decision.
VAR is simply not used for throw ins, corners, yellows, free kicks, etc. So, undoubtedly mistakes will always occur and VAR is powerless against it.
Swango1980
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It's not just one game though. Typically they'll play 2 games a week in general, during the height of the season, and maybe get a few weeks off at end of season.
The games they play will be at the elite level of football. It is not a kick about for a pub team on a Sunday. They need to give their all, put their bodies to the limit, or risk playing like Man Utd.
They have their training sessions, that they will also be putting their body under some physical activity. It needs to be at a pretty intense level, to boost their fitness and be prepared for repeating what they do in training in the intensity of a match.
They also have the pre season where they play games.
I'm sure the money makes them very happy. But, it doesn't make them superheroes where their bodies can ignore the normal impacts of biology. There is also the mental side, where humans can sometimes do with getting away from repetitive activities and recharge their mental batteries.
Still, doesn't really vindicate the way England played in this international break. Was pretty awful and uninspiring.
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Plus travel for all the games ..yes half are at home but a lot of travel around the country, training for the matches
Don't get me wrong it's not like a normal job where that would be little work but they clearly get fatigue which causes injuries
Christmas in this country is mental for figures
Beezerk
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A few things I've noticed over the last year of watching England.
Phillips is very limited as a player, he's good but not top international quality.
Is Foden really the new Messiah like he's been made out to be? His decision making is very poor at times much like Sterling.
Grealish seems to worry defenders as soon as he comes on and rarely loses the ball, yet he never gets a start.
Selection of some defenders is puzzling given how they are clearly struggling for form.
I never thought I'd say it but I think we missed Henderson in the middle just to calm things down.
Phillips is very limited as a player, he's good but not top international quality.
Is Foden really the new Messiah like he's been made out to be? His decision making is very poor at times much like Sterling.
Grealish seems to worry defenders as soon as he comes on and rarely loses the ball, yet he never gets a start.
Selection of some defenders is puzzling given how they are clearly struggling for form.
I never thought I'd say it but I think we missed Henderson in the middle just to calm things down.
Pin-seeker
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Anyone else not really bothered about the results in these meaningless games?
Let the players go on holiday and unwind after a long season.
Be totally different in the WC.
Let the players go on holiday and unwind after a long season.
Be totally different in the WC.
Swango1980
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The boo boys at the stadium cared at the very least
Piece
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My concern with Southgate and England currently is, as mentioned by others, our attacking identity. We are decent at playing the ball around the back, knocking it wide, but we just don't have that presence where it counts, in a big attacking hole outside the penalty area. Seemingly we have the players, yet we can't make it work.
Southgate has credit in the bank. He has done a very good job in transforming our style of play from long ball to a more possession based one. However, it's more than time to move up to the next level. This is where Southgate is having trouble shifting away from his apparent negative tactics to make use of this talent we have.
Two more games to find a bit of confidence, two more games to find some semblance of an attacking threat. Will Gareth use those two games to experiment again, or bang out his preferred first team in the hope it gives that momentum?
Southgate has credit in the bank. He has done a very good job in transforming our style of play from long ball to a more possession based one. However, it's more than time to move up to the next level. This is where Southgate is having trouble shifting away from his apparent negative tactics to make use of this talent we have.
Two more games to find a bit of confidence, two more games to find some semblance of an attacking threat. Will Gareth use those two games to experiment again, or bang out his preferred first team in the hope it gives that momentum?
Swango1980
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I think I'd give Southgate much more credit if he treated the Nations League like club sides treat the League Cup. Don't pick any of the top players at all, let them rest. Use England youngsters.
Only reason to pick England's best players is if you want to work on their tactics, their understanding as a team and their confidence. If you do that though, you need to make sure the players are absolutely up for it. And you can't just change the team every game, as it makes that plan redundant anyway.
Only reason to pick England's best players is if you want to work on their tactics, their understanding as a team and their confidence. If you do that though, you need to make sure the players are absolutely up for it. And you can't just change the team every game, as it makes that plan redundant anyway.
Swinglowandslow
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"In the intensity of a match"?
All I see a lot of the time is passing sideways and backwards at almost walking pace.! So many times the easy option is taken.
As for fitness. These are young men with all facilities available to keep them that way.
Sure, they have to put in the hours if training, but there are thousands of young men all over the country putting in those hours, getting physically fit as they can for games of football, rugby, hockey etc- and all after a full day's work.
Swango1980
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They put in the intensity for their clubs. Especially City and Liverpool players. Whether they are jaded, or it is tactics, when playing for England is another matter.
You can't really compare professional athletes with amateur young men. The amateurs are not playing anywhere near the level of the professional athletes. Physical fitness is less of an issue, as their opponents will have many major flaws to exploit in terms of ability and tactically. Plenty of amateurs will play games when they are nowhere near their physical peak, and get away with it. A professional footballer goes from 8% body fat to 9% body fat and suddenly they are accused as being out of shape and given nicknames like Fat Frank. Whilst amateur athletes are the stars of their team, despite having 20% body fat.
Neilds
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So the travel is that bad it makes all the top clubs in the premier league undertake pre season tours on the other side of the planet?!?
People always make out that English players play much more football than anyone else, but forget that the majority of players are from other countries and probably play more premier league matches than the English players
Tashyboy
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Re players playing to much.
I would Imagine we all agree the players playing for the international teams are supposedly the best of the best. Whether that be City, Liverpool or Leeds and a West Ham. My point is those players are virtually nailed on to play most of the season. Furthermore these players need to be match fit. Or at the peak of there game. not a standard of returning from injury and needing match minutes to get to game fitness. These players then get picked for there international teams.
KDB was allowed by Belgium to miss the last Nations game coz basically he was knackered. Are we saying he is the only one ?
Now if you are a fringe player trying to break into the England team, there’s no way your saying when your chance comes “ I need a break”.
But new players coming in, they should be playing Within a system that is now engrained in Englands style of play, there identity. Like Liverpool and City do, and others. But what is it. There in for me lies a massive problem. The more I see England play the more I believe the players are carrying Southgate and like last night when it goes wrong it goes massively wrong.
I would Imagine we all agree the players playing for the international teams are supposedly the best of the best. Whether that be City, Liverpool or Leeds and a West Ham. My point is those players are virtually nailed on to play most of the season. Furthermore these players need to be match fit. Or at the peak of there game. not a standard of returning from injury and needing match minutes to get to game fitness. These players then get picked for there international teams.
KDB was allowed by Belgium to miss the last Nations game coz basically he was knackered. Are we saying he is the only one ?
Now if you are a fringe player trying to break into the England team, there’s no way your saying when your chance comes “ I need a break”.
But new players coming in, they should be playing Within a system that is now engrained in Englands style of play, there identity. Like Liverpool and City do, and others. But what is it. There in for me lies a massive problem. The more I see England play the more I believe the players are carrying Southgate and like last night when it goes wrong it goes massively wrong.
Tashyboy
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I think what people are saying in different ways is that players are abused Re how much is expected from them.
Clubs play pre season games at the other end of the planet because There club wants to grow there club/ product.
UEFA have a meaningless competition at the end of a busy season.
The FA have the league cup that nigh on no one takes seriously.
Slime
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Abused?
I'm not in that camp, they're elite athletes, they're supposed to work hard, I would for £100K+ per week.
Comparisons are very difficult, but look at what an elite cyclist or tennis player goes through.
I just don't buy this tiredness thing.
Two games a week, that's three hours, with team mates doing their share of work in what is almost a non-contact sport.
Nope, I just don't get it.
It is not just physical though is it? It is mental tiredness. Playing elite games, under pressure, week after week takes its toll. The players need a mental break as much as a physical one.
The amount they get paid is irrelevant in all this. That doesn't alter the human factor.
The amount they get paid is irrelevant in all this. That doesn't alter the human factor.
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It’s impossible to compare across different sports as physiques and endurance requirements are completely different. Ask a professional cyclist to recreate the movement of a player like Rice or Philips make over the course of a game and they would struggle. Especially with their PEDs.
It’s not necessarily the fitness that is a problem it’s recovery plus wear and tear on the body. A lot of players are never 100% fit either.
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What? Being paid £100k per week doesn’t make you stronger and faster?
Southgate needs to do one, sharpish.
Ever since he decided to cash out and take the piss by putting a bag on his head for that Pizza Hut advert for what was probably one of the most traumatic experiences of my childhood really gets to me. I’m still not over it.
Easiest routes in the WC and don’t even get me started on the Euro final.
But yeah, everyone jumped on his sack and bought waistcoats.
Ever since he decided to cash out and take the piss by putting a bag on his head for that Pizza Hut advert for what was probably one of the most traumatic experiences of my childhood really gets to me. I’m still not over it.
Easiest routes in the WC and don’t even get me started on the Euro final.
But yeah, everyone jumped on his sack and bought waistcoats.
