The Footie Thread

[Hobbit]

At the end of the day there are all the reports from the media and multiple reports from journalists- the media are pretty much United in what happened and have provided the proof - none of this “may” business

And then you have “rival” fans with their theories and providing videos which are then being given context after

It will be up to people what they want to believe but I would hope for most that they would try and look past tribalism or trolling to see that many innocents fans got exposed to grave danger last night because of the poor organisation of UEFA and the way the police reacted - of that there is no doubt.

So you’ve already made up your mind as to who is at fault…

Did UEFA and the police get it wrong? Or were the turnstile staff reacting to a number of fans chancing their arm with dodgy tickets? We don’t know.

We’re ‘innocent‘ fans guilty of becoming agitated as kick off time grew close and they were no where near getting in? How did they react? We, genuinely, don’t know.

I don’t have a ‘side’ in this but I do have concerns about whether or not the response was justified. If it was, which we don’t at present know, fine. If it wasn’t, I hope there won’t be a whitewash. But let’s not judge it all till we know the facts.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

He's been a few times - think Springsteen was his best memory

Cracking gig. My only ever gig to Manchester, took my kid sister as the girlfriend at the time (now wife lol) had just got together she wasn't ready for a weekend away lol her loss

 

[AmandaJR]

Cracking gig. My only ever gig to Manchester, took my kid sister as the girlfriend at the time (now wife lol) had just got together she wasn't ready for a weekend away lol her loss

Springsteen at The Etihad was just my dream come true

 

[pokerjoke]

So you’ve already made up your mind as to who is at fault…

Did UEFA and the police get it wrong? Or were the turnstile staff reacting to a number of fans chancing their arm with dodgy tickets? We don’t know.

We’re ‘innocent‘ fans guilty of becoming agitated as kick off time grew close and they were no where near getting in? How did they react? We, genuinely, don’t know.

I don’t have a ‘side’ in this but I do have concerns about whether or not the response was justified. If it was, which we don’t at present know, fine. If it wasn’t, I hope there won’t be a whitewash. But let’s not judge it all till we know the facts.

Exactly
The same people slating peoples view or bias are the same people who are getting information from media or radio or other sites.
Unless you were there you’re only speculating.
I’m sure both sides are somewhat to blame,however and it’s only once again speculation from what I’ve seen,tear-gassing kids is never on.
I’ve also seen people running past security,but I couldn’t say who’s supporters they were.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Springsteen at The Etihad was just my dream come true

I was just glad he was in the country

Drove up from London sister got the train from uni in Norwich lol

Second only to seeing Coldplay on the off chance at the library in North London

 

[AmandaJR]

I was just glad he was in the country

Drove up from London sister got the train from uni in Norwich lol

Second only to seeing Coldplay on the off chance at the library in North London

He's touring with the band next year - no dates in England yet but think they'll follow!

 

[RichA]

If anything... At least that's consistent. If I were a Huddersfield fan I'd be raging.

Whether they're playing for the opposition or my own team, I've always thought that any player who gets the ball into the penalty box then looks to initiate contact with a defender to win a penalty is a twit. Both of those lads could've taken a shot to score for their team but both threw a leg out sideways looking for contact. Tough?.

The way Forest waste time when they're winning has been irritating this season.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So you’ve already made up your mind as to who is at fault…

Did UEFA and the police get it wrong? Or were the turnstile staff reacting to a number of fans chancing their arm with dodgy tickets? We don’t know.

We’re ‘innocent‘ fans guilty of becoming agitated as kick off time grew close and they were no where near getting in? How did they react? We, genuinely, don’t know.

I don’t have a ‘side’ in this but I do have concerns about whether or not the response was justified. If it was, which we don’t at present know, fine. If it wasn’t, I hope there won’t be a whitewash. But let’s not judge it all till we know the facts.

The facts have been presented by many people who were there and those facts have been supported many times over and I have made my judgement based on those facts

We know how the fans reacted as they have told us

We know how the police reacted as we have seen the videos

And we know how the turnstile staff reacted because we have been told by people who were there - fans , reporters etc and see the videos

The facts are there and the media out there covering the event are United in their delivery of those facts

If people want to not believe those facts then fine - that’s their choice but it won’t change them

 

[Pin-seeker]

The facts have been presented by many people who were there and those facts have been supported many times over and I have made my judgement based on those facts

We know how the fans reacted as they have told us

We know how the police reacted as we have seen the videos

And we know how the turnstile staff reacted because we have been told by people who were there - fans , reporters etc and see the videos

The facts are there and the media out there covering the event are United in their delivery of those facts

If people want to not believe those facts then fine - that’s their choice but it won’t change them

Yeah they said it so it must be true ?

We’ve also seen actual video footage of Liverpool fans “misbehaving”. ?‍

 

[3offTheTee]

So you’ve already made up your mind as to who is at fault…

Did UEFA and the police get it wrong? Or were the turnstile staff reacting to a number of fans chancing their arm with dodgy tickets? We don’t know.

We’re ‘innocent‘ fans guilty of becoming agitated as kick off time grew close and they were no where near getting in? How did they react? We, genuinely, don’t know.

I don’t have a ‘side’ in this but I do have concerns about whether or not the response was justified. If it was, which we don’t at present know, fine. If it wasn’t, I hope there won’t be a whitewash. But let’s not judge it all till we know the facts.

Hope you are enjoying the match and Madrid NOW rather anything else. 1-1 at present. still 70 minutes.! Visca Rojiblancos!

 

[Swango1980]

The facts have been presented by many people who were there and those facts have been supported many times over and I have made my judgement based on those facts

We know how the fans reacted as they have told us

We know how the police reacted as we have seen the videos

And we know how the turnstile staff reacted because we have been told by people who were there - fans , reporters etc and see the videos

The facts are there and the media out there covering the event are United in their delivery of those facts

If people want to not believe those facts then fine - that’s their choice but it won’t change them

Any chance that the accounts you have heard thus far are somewhat biased? After all, I assume most of the accounts are from Liverpool fans. And, Liverpool fans will have shared their stories to reporters. And, probably most of the fans willing to share their stories were the innocent ones. I doubt if any Liverpool fans were misbehaving they would be running to share their stories?

We need to wait to hear what stadium officials, police officers, UEFA, etc have to say, and then understand why it was such a mess.

 

[Hobbit]

The facts have been presented by many people who were there and those facts have been supported many times over and I have made my judgement based on those facts

We know how the fans reacted as they have told us

We know how the police reacted as we have seen the videos

And we know how the turnstile staff reacted because we have been told by people who were there - fans , reporters etc and see the videos

The facts are there and the media out there covering the event are United in their delivery of those facts

If people want to not believe those facts then fine - that’s their choice but it won’t change them

I’m not saying you’re wrong, or right, I’m saying let’s get it independently verified before making that judgement. You’ve made your judgement based on what you believe is the truth. I’m saying your judgement is premature, not that it’s wrong. You may well be proven to be right…. but why isn’t there the same evidence of actions against the Madrid supporters? Did they behave the same? Is there a bias?

I’m not getting into an argument about it, although I am concerned about just what is true, I’m saying let’s get it verified by independent sources.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Any chance that the accounts you have heard thus far are somewhat biased? After all, I assume most of the accounts are from Liverpool fans. And, Liverpool fans will have shared their stories to reporters. And, probably most of the fans willing to share their stories were the innocent ones. I doubt if any Liverpool fans were misbehaving they would be running to share their stories?

We need to wait to hear what stadium officials, police officers, UEFA, etc have to say, and then understand why it was such a mess.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1530846786172092418

https://twitter.com/x/status/1530858726604910592

The accounts are from the media who were there and actually witnessed the events first hand and in some cases got stuck in it which one sky reporting being struck with pepper spray

Did you see the video of the fan trying to scan his ticket and then be attacked by pepper spray

And UEFA blamed the fans for turning up late despite it being false - why believe them when there first response was to blame the fans which was then proven to be false

And yes I have had first accounts from fans who were there and with their kids - and I see no reason why they would be lying

 

[Hobbit]

Hope you are enjoying the match and Madrid NOW rather anything else. 1-1 at present. still 70 minutes.! Visca Rojiblancos!

The atmosphere is awesome, and it’s our first visit to Madrid! Wish we were staying longer.

Soft first goal but I can’t see Almeria losing this.

 

[Midnight]

Whether they're playing for the opposition or my own team, I've always thought that any player who gets the ball into the penalty box then looks to initiate contact with a defender to win a penalty is a twit. Both of those lads could've taken a shot to score for their team but both threw a leg out sideways looking for contact. Tough?.

The way Forest waste time when they're winning has been irritating this season.

As a Forest fan, I haven't been irritated by how they play.
In regards to the penalties, they were the sort that If given there would be no complaints.

Roll on next season from a very happy Forest fan ??????

 

[Hobbit]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1530846786172092418

https://twitter.com/x/status/1530858726604910592

The accounts are from the media who were there and actually witnessed the events first hand and in some cases got stuck in it which one sky reporting being struck with pepper spray

Did you see the video of the fan trying to scan his ticket and then be attacked by pepper spray

And UEFA blamed the fans for turning up late despite it being false - why believe them when there first response was to blame the fans which was then proven to be false

And yes I have had first accounts from fans who were there and with their kids - and I see no reason why they would be lying

You’ve got first hand accounts by people who have a vested interest in their version being true, and it might be the case, but just because your best buddy says…

I watched Sky this morning and it reminded me of media reports I read in 3 decent broadsheets 40 years ago. All 3 were significantly different. Was the reporter telling the truth this morning? Possibly yes, but I’ll wait on the full report before I get the pitchfork out.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

He's touring with the band next year - no dates in England yet but think they'll follow!

Might have to miss but least I've seen him, I'm gutted I had tickets for the foos when they cancelled a few years ago then couldn't make the rescheduled gig.. prob never tour again now after that tragic death

 

[Hobbit]

The atmosphere is awesome, and it’s our first visit to Madrid! Wish we were staying longer.

Soft first goal but I can’t see Almeria losing this.

Nooooo!

 

[Golfmmad]

Back to the game last night.
Liverpool were the better team first half. Cortios was outstanding.
I'm sure the wily old Ancelotti said to his players at half time, Liverpool have run themselves ragged, stay cool guys and take your chance when it comes. They did just that! The only real chance they had all game.
I also think that Real's defence was superb, any other team and l'pool would have been two or three up at half time.
Watching Klopp walk out after half time he looked as if he knew their chance was gone - seemed he had no enthusiasm and body language said it all.
TAA was disappointing, his corners and free kicks came to nothing and his shooting way off.
In the second half Real increased the press and Liverpool started to give the ball away more and more, which they didn't in the first half.
To finish, I'd say Real Madrid got their tactics spot on and their resolute defence would never have let Liverpool score the goal that they did.
So well done Liverpool for putting up a great fight and making a game of it.

 

[clubchamp98]

As a City fan Ave never expected anything. I spent 20 years being goaded by Utd fans asking me how many we are gonna get beat by. It was a humble trait I have learned that I don’t expect owt. To follow a Rammel team for 30 odd years to now be competing for trophies. Al take that.
Finally welcome To the premier league Forest.

Lad I worked with was a die hard City fan.
Home and away he’d go.
So I am made up for him and City fans like you.
But the green eyed monster is alive and well, just look at some of the comments about fans with their kids with them last night..
This forum is getting very nasty ..