The Footie Thread

[Bdill93]

Why do people keep trotting out this pointless fact? Just because he is fouled a lot doesn't mean he is a great player. It could mean he holds onto the ball too long and is greedy.
Also, in the Premier League, a direct free kick is scored about once in 18 attempts, so unless he is fouled around the penalty area 18 times a game, the free kicks do not lead to many goals either.

The stat is up there with TAA and Robertson being brilliant because they get loads of assists - they take corners and free kicks so should get lots of assists - stats can prove everything and nothing

I was just stating the fact. Doesnt bother me either way, I dont think it helps City but it did help break up play for Villa to be fair.

Regarding assists, thats a different take - TAA is filth, no RB in the world is as productive as Trent with assists in a top European league. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/topvorlagengeber

 

[Tashyboy]

Eddie Howe's only real experience of a relegation battle was in taking Bournemouth down! Not working out too badly for Newcastle!

A good manager is a good manager. I don't buy the idea that they have to have direct experience of X in order to succeed. Pep had no experience of managing a first team before he took over at Barcelona![/QUOTE]
He was actually seen as a gamble o be the manager and am sure his career there didn’t start to well for the first few games. Ironically am sure Mourinhio was one of the favourites for the job ?

 

[Neilds]

I was just stating the fact. Doesnt bother me either way, I dont think it helps City but it did help break up play for Villa to be fair.

Regarding assists, thats a different take - TAA is filth, no RB in the world is as productive as Trent with assists in a top European league. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/topvorlagengeber

But take out corners and free kicks, and where is he on the list? It's like saying you have signed a 20 goals a season striker when he gets half from penalties

 

[Tashyboy]

Why do people keep trotting out this pointless fact? Just because he is fouled a lot doesn't mean he is a great player. It could mean he holds onto the ball too long and is greedy.
Also, in the Premier League, a direct free kick is scored about once in 18 attempts, so unless he is fouled around the penalty area 18 times a game, the free kicks do not lead to many goals either.

The stat is up there with TAA and Robertson being brilliant because they get loads of assists - they take corners and free kicks so should get lots of assists - stats can prove everything and nothing

He gets fouled because he invites challenges. What I find odd is you quote a pointless fact ( getting fouled) then quote a pointless fact. ? ie 1 in 18 free kicks involves a direct goal. Who said every free kick is an attempt at goal. Running down the clock, breaking up tempo, ball Possession, yellow cards all come from free kicks. Again I don’t get the TAA and Robertson quote, to counter I will chuck in Wan Bassaka. I don’t want to see his stats to tell me he is rammel compared to when he was at Palace.

 

[Papas1982]

Why do people keep trotting out this pointless fact? Just because he is fouled a lot doesn't mean he is a great player. It could mean he holds onto the ball too long and is greedy.
Also, in the Premier League, a direct free kick is scored about once in 18 attempts, so unless he is fouled around the penalty area 18 times a game, the free kicks do not lead to many goals either.

The stat is up there with TAA and Robertson being brilliant because they get loads of assists - they take corners and free kicks so should get lots of assists - stats can prove everything and nothing

So, your first point is that dead ball situations are pointless as they don't lead to goals, only to then claim that liverpool wingbacks get the majority of their assists from dead ball situations.

 

[Tashyboy]

We decided to play a high line and a pressing game against one of the best counter attacking front 2 in the league . It was pretty much text book 'how not to play against Spurs'.

Incidentally, Everton didn't give up last night, they didn't stop running or working. They just got thoroughly out played.

I was singing Franks praises when he set up v City last week. I cannot believe how naive he would of been v Spurs having seen how they did an excellent job against us the eek before. Especially seeing as they could of put five past us.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Lampard is simply not competent for the Everton job…. It unbelievable the owner would bring in a young manager with no experience of a relegation battle.

Still it’s who the fans wanted. ?

The managers who are good in relegation battles tend to only be good at that. Fire fighters but not what you would want otherwise. I'm with @phillarrow , a good manager is a good manager. It is too early to tell yet whether Lampard will be a good manager for us.

He has us playing well at home but he needs to resolve our away form and tighten the defence, something that was equally at fault under Benitez. For one, we are truly terrifying to watch at corners. Every corner is a chance for the opposition, a real chance.

In terms of who the fans wanted it came down to a bloke with an okay record that no one really knew and certainly had no English experience, Lampard and Rooney. There was no clambouring for Lampard, no petitions etc. He was the best option of the 3 that were looked at. Should we have gone for Rooney because he has experience of Derby being in a relegation battle?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I was singing Franks praises when he set up v City last week. I cannot believe how naive he would of been v Spurs having seen how they did an excellent job against us the eek before. Especially seeing as they could of put five past us.

Mate, Lampard himself warned fans to ignore the table prior to the City/Spurs matches, we are a bad team in a bad place at the moment.

We could of lost 7 or 8 Nil, but at the same time the first 2 goals were from bad mistakes.

The chances Spurs missed came from their best passages of Football.

Last nights result changes nothing for us and Lampard is only 5 games in! The only ones jumping on the bandwagon questioning him are opposition fans!

 

[Orikoru]

But take out corners and free kicks, and where is he on the list? It's like saying you have signed a 20 goals a season striker when he gets half from penalties

Of TAA's 18 assists this season, 2 were corners and 2 were free kicks. So that leaves 14 open play assists. I don't even understand the point, it's not like players from other teams don't take corners and free kicks? In the Premier League only it's 11 minus 3 for corners and free kicks which leaves 8 assists - still nobody else in the league has higher other than Salah.

 

[nickjdavis]

Eddie Howe's only real experience of a relegation battle was in taking Bournemouth down!

Wrong.

He prevented Bournemouth from dropping out of the league entirely in his first season of management....this was after they started the season on minus 17 points and were still 10 points adrift when he took over at the end of December.

 

[Fade and Die]

Eddie Howe's only real experience of a relegation battle was in taking Bournemouth down! Not working out too badly for Newcastle!

A good manager is a good manager. I don't buy the idea that they have to have direct experience of X in order to succeed. Pep had no experience of managing a first team before he took over at Barcelona!

Maybe not Direct experience in relegation battles but Lampard just needs more experience before being ready for a relegation dogfight with a poor team.
Eddie Howe has managed over 500 games, he is a proven manager, getting Bournemouth into the Prem.
I agree with you that a good manager is a good manager but you will have to point out to me why you think Lampard is a good manager as I’ve not seen anything yet.

 

[phillarrow]

Maybe not Direct experience in relegation battles but Lampard just needs more experience before being ready for a relegation dogfight with a poor team.
Eddie Howe has managed over 500 games, he is a proven manager, getting Bournemouth into the Prem.
I agree with you that a good manager is a good manager but you will have to point out to me why you think Lampard is a good manager as I’ve not seen anything yet.

Where did I say that I think Lampard is a good manager? What I said was that I don't believe a manager needs relegation experience to save a club from relegation.

 

[Orikoru]

Where did I say that I think Lampard is a good manager? What I said was that I don't believe a manager needs relegation experience to save a club from relegation.

Yes and no I think. First and foremost the manager just needs to get the players playing and get the best out of them - provided they have good enough players to stay up. However, the managers with experience of relegation battles do tend to be a bit more pragmatic and better at sorting out defences. In Everton's case the defence is awful so this really should have been looked at first. Say what you like about the likes of Big Sam etc, but this is what they do - recognise that a solid defence is needed to stay up. (Not playing a back three of Keane, Holgate and Coleman against a team that can literally only counter attack through Kane and Son.)

 

[Blue in Munich]

Why do people keep trotting out this pointless fact? Just because he is fouled a lot doesn't mean he is a great player. It could mean he holds onto the ball too long and is greedy.
Also, in the Premier League, a direct free kick is scored about once in 18 attempts, so unless he is fouled around the penalty area 18 times a game, the free kicks do not lead to many goals either.

The stat is up there with TAA and Robertson being brilliant because they get loads of assists - they take corners and free kicks so should get lots of assists - stats can prove everything and nothing

He's not the most fouled player; he is however the player who has been awarded the most free kicks when he's apparently lost his footing for little discernible reason...

 

[Neilds]

He gets fouled because he invites challenges. What I find odd is you quote a pointless fact ( getting fouled) then quote a pointless fact. ? ie 1 in 18 free kicks involves a direct goal. Who said every free kick is an attempt at goal. Running down the clock, breaking up tempo, ball Possession, yellow cards all come from free kicks. Again I don’t get the TAA and Robertson quote, to counter I will chuck in Wan Bassaka. I don’t want to see his stats to tell me he is rammel compared to when he was at Palace.

I actually quoted direct free kicks leading to a goal not free kicks leading to a direct goal - two different stats, especially as a direct free kick is a direct attempt at goal
Getting the most fouls has about as much impact on a game as winning the most throw ins.

 

[Tashyboy]

He's not the most fouled player; he is however the player who has been awarded the most free kicks when he's apparently lost his footing for little discernible reason...

That don’t narrow it down ?

 

[fundy]

Lewandowski looking good for 2nd in the ballon d'or again

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Another crowd medical emergency.... Nearly 1 a week at the moment. Got to be covid or covid jab related surely.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Another crowd medical emergency.... Nearly 1 a week at the moment. Got to be covid or covid jab related surely.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1500563860952133639

 

[ColchesterFC]

Another crowd medical emergency.... Nearly 1 a week at the moment. Got to be covid or covid jab related surely.

Or is it just that matches are being stopped now when something occurs? I'm sure someone posted that in previous seasons the game went on during these incidents but now the game is stopped while the person gets medical treatment.

No idea what the stats would be but there are hundreds of thousands (probably millions) of fans attending matches each week. In an environment where alcohol, and possibly drugs, are consumed and people are getting excited or angry over what is happening on the pitch then there are always going to be people that have medical emergencies, whether that is due to falling down steps while drunk or having a heart attack. What I don't understand is why nearly all of the reports are coming from football crowds. I haven't heard of any from rugby matches or other sports.