The Footie Thread

[Lord Tyrion]

Look at the players City were signing when they first got their money.

You could be right. Maybe Howe is the coach to sort him out?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Mike Riley will be on the phone tomorrow to Uncle Bill.

I believe he's scheduled the call for 5 past Pickford.....

 

[Foxholer]

I understand differently, and media outlets on both sides of the pond also said that it also meant that they could carry on with purchases and development of existing projects. For liverpool it would have meant the ARE development.

We are actually deeming it the same thing! Also known as BAU. So includes developments and purchases as if the pandemic hadn't happened. As I stated, not a criticism, but a sensible approach given the way FSG is set up. Man City wouldn't need to do it, given the deep pockets of the owner(s). Man U is set up slightly differently to Liverpool - as an asset of Red Football (through which Malcolm bought the club) - and they quantified the loss of earnings for 2000 as £167.2M. So a sensible approach by FSG - to bring another investor.

 

[Pin-seeker]

You could be right. Maybe Howe is the coach to sort him out?

I can’t see Newcastle attracting players like David Silva & Aguero straight away.
I don’t think any manager “sorts him out” tbh.
I just don’t think he’s very good.
Just another player that’s made a good living out of potential.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Media narrative ?‍

The media were all singing from the same sheet -

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...estment-fsg-transfer-window-b1825919.html?amp

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...pool-fsg-redbird-transfer-budget-20298765.amp

There was never any talk of the money being used to fund transfers - it was reported by those “trusted journalists” that any money filtered down would be used to help the club plug any financial gaps from Covid plus helping to continue the stadium build up

There wasn’t a “$750mil” pot waiting to be spent on players

I never said it was.

I said that it would be used on projects, but said I think that they could have still spent some money in the transfer market (but not necessarily from the 750 pot).

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I can’t see Newcastle attracting players like David Silva & Aguero straight away.
I don’t think any manager “sorts him out” tbh.
I just don’t think he’s very good.
Just another player that’s made a good living out of potential.

I agree that Newcastle will go through a middle level phase before attracting the real big boys. I think they will aim higher than Rashford though. If not, Howe is a coach that will improve him whereas at utd it's pretty clear he is in reverse gear.

Perhaps a fresh start will do him good and he can turn that potential into something decent.

 

[Foxholer]

I never said it was.

I said that it would be used on projects, but said I think that they could have still spent some money in the transfer market (but not necessarily from the 750 pot).

Remember that pot is not just for Liverpool FC!

 

[IanM]

Conte didn't look like he'd just won 5-0

Frank sure looked like he had lost 5 though

 

[Liverbirdie]

Remember that pot is not just for Liverpool FC!

Yes, as I mentioned earlier.

 

[Orikoru]

Romero's Instagram story today.

 

[Tashyboy]

You needed Grealish then?

You already had (at the time of the transfer)

Foden
Mahrez
KDB
Torres
Bernado Silva
Jesus
Gundogan

He is at Barcelona now. He had itchy feet before the season started and it was suggested Grealish was his replacement. Gundogan is predominately a central midfielder. And Jesus predominately a forward, who ironically plays better out wide. I get what you are saying coz you have missed a couple Of players out ( Stirling etc). But Pep has tried for players we need ie centre forwards but the club is now past the stage where it will be held to ransom for player fees.
At the moment the transfer strategy and academy are working very well enabling City to compete for trophies. That may sound an odd statement but with the sale of Torres to Barca, City now have the second highest squad value behind Utd. And they are nowhere near competing for silverware. Another thing about City is they now have a squad in place that can put out a (young) team in 5 years time such is the planning. Happy days at the moment.

 

[Bdill93]

He is at Barcelona now. He had itchy feet before the season started and it was suggested Grealish was his replacement. Gundogan is predominately a central midfielder. And Jesus predominately a forward, who ironically plays better out wide. I get what you are saying coz you have missed a couple Of players out ( Stirling etc). But Pep has tried for players we need ie centre forwards but the club is now past the stage where it will be held to ransom for player fees.
At the moment the transfer strategy and academy are working very well enabling City to compete for trophies. That may sound an odd statement but with the sale of Torres to Barca, City now have the second highest squad value behind Utd. And they are nowhere near competing for silverware. Another thing about City is they now have a squad in place that can put out a (young) team in 5 years time such is the planning. Happy days at the moment.

Knew I had missed someone off the list but I couldnt work out who!

You're a class outfit mate, envy of the footballing world - besides a number 9, you dont need any further talent or depth unless somone leaves.

You replaced Torres with Alvarez (albeit loaned back till summer)

You didnt NEED to buy Grealish for 100m and that was my point. He hasnt improved you nor is he really an improvement on what you had anyway. Thats a want purchase more than a need.

However - We all wish we could add a luxury 100m player into our squads and not even play them every game

 

[Tashyboy]

That sums up players like him perfectly. They feel entitled to play for Man Utd. They simply take it for granted, and have no feeling they need to work hard to earn it.

Although, to be fair, maybe he is simply considering his future as a footballer full stop, and fancies working full time for a charity or some sort of social media influencer.

If he puts in a much effort working for charity as he did when he came on v City I wouldn’t let him loose with a bag of Big Issue on a street corner. That said he has done a fantastic job with his charity work. But I believe that’s on the back of him being a good footballer and at the moment he is far from that.
Re putting effort in I saw both Everton and Spurs put in a right performance v City yet the following games were rammel. What’s that all about. Saw the score line walking past a pub last night. ? flipin eck Frank the vultures are circling early

 

[Tashyboy]

Knew I had missed someone off the list but I couldnt work out who!

You're a class outfit mate, envy of the footballing world - besides a number 9, you dont need any further talent or depth unless somone leaves.

You replaced Torres with Alvarez (albeit loaned back till summer)

You didnt NEED to buy Grealish for 100m and that was my point. He hasnt improved you nor is he really an improvement on what you had anyway. Thats a want purchase more than a need.

However - We all wish we could add a luxury 100m player into our squads and not even play them every game

When Pep won the title, the following season he bought Mahrez. City fans chins dropped. They couldn’t understand why. Especially as he had a poor first season. He explained that mahrez has excellent feet, his first touch is exquisite, he goes past players. Pep noticed rams were packing the box and space was tight. Mahrez does create and score chances. I prefer him to Stirling. Grealish does exactly the same, he was the most fouled player last season. His best two games have been the last two, granted it was only the Posh and Utd? But his link up play is very good.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Re putting effort in I saw both Everton and Spurs put in a right performance v City yet the following games were rammel. What’s that all about. Saw the score line walking past a pub last night. ? flipin eck Frank the vultures are circling early

We decided to play a high line and a pressing game against one of the best counter attacking front 2 in the league . It was pretty much text book 'how not to play against Spurs'.

Incidentally, Everton didn't give up last night, they didn't stop running or working. They just got thoroughly out played.

 

[Bdill93]

When Pep won the title, the following season he bought Mahrez. City fans chins dropped. They couldn’t understand why. Especially as he had a poor first season. He explained that mahrez has excellent feet, his first touch is exquisite, he goes past players. Pep noticed rams were packing the box and space was tight. Mahrez does create and score chances. I prefer him to Stirling. Grealish does exactly the same, he was the most fouled player last season. His best two games have been the last two, granted it was only the Posh and Utd? But his link up play is very good.

But still, you say you wont be held to ransom but paid 100m for a player who just slots in nicely. They cost you 40-60 mill in the past, this time you broke the british transfer record fee.

Im not doubting Grealish's talent either - I dont think there is a player like him in the prem and on his day hes unreal. He kept us up in our first season back in the prem. Not many players could do that almost by themselves - dont think any of your other players could in fact, maybe KDB.

Hes also been the most fouled since entering the league by an absolute land slide!

The point remains though, City can buy who they want and they do. If they need them now or in 2 years time - Alvarez looks like he could be a baller.

 

[Fade and Die]

We decided to play a high line and a pressing game against one of the best counter attacking front 2 in the league . It was pretty much text book 'how not to play against Spurs'.

Incidentally, Everton didn't give up last night, they didn't stop running or working. They just got thoroughly out played.

Lampard is simply not competent for the Everton job…. It unbelievable the owner would bring in a young manager with no experience of a relegation battle.

Still it’s who the fans wanted. ?

 

[Neilds]

But still, you say you wont be held to ransom but paid 100m for a player who just slots in nicely. They cost you 40-60 mill in the past, this time you broke the british transfer record fee.

Im not doubting Grealish's talent either - I dont think there is a player like him in the prem and on his day hes unreal. He kept us up in our first season back in the prem. Not many players could do that almost by themselves - dont think any of your other players could in fact, maybe KDB.

Hes also been the most fouled since entering the league by an absolute land slide!

The point remains though, City can buy who they want and they do. If they need them now or in 2 years time - Alvarez looks like he could be a baller.

Why do people keep trotting out this pointless fact? Just because he is fouled a lot doesn't mean he is a great player. It could mean he holds onto the ball too long and is greedy.
Also, in the Premier League, a direct free kick is scored about once in 18 attempts, so unless he is fouled around the penalty area 18 times a game, the free kicks do not lead to many goals either.

The stat is up there with TAA and Robertson being brilliant because they get loads of assists - they take corners and free kicks so should get lots of assists - stats can prove everything and nothing

 

[Bdill93]

Lampard is simply not competent for the Everton job…. It unbelievable the owner would bring in a young manager with no experience of a relegation battle.

Still it’s who the fans wanted. ?

Someone has to become the next Big Sam though! He wont be around forever!

 

[phillarrow]

Lampard is simply not competent for the Everton job…. It unbelievable the owner would bring in a young manager with no experience of a relegation battle.

Still it’s who the fans wanted. ?

Eddie Howe's only real experience of a relegation battle was in taking Bournemouth down! Not working out too badly for Newcastle!

A good manager is a good manager. I don't buy the idea that they have to have direct experience of X in order to succeed. Pep had no experience of managing a first team before he took over at Barcelona!