The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 21784]

Sit at home and not get paid for a month ? Or if not sitting at home then sweeping out at a cattery. ? Get that on TikTok ?

They can't do that tho, that's the problem. We all sit here saying what they should do. But legally he is entitled to be paid and 2 weeks wages is max fine

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Imo.
He should be in court and given community service on every day West Ham play for the rest of the season.
That way if he is missing from work he should not be paid.
But not holding my breath.

Again, there is what people would like to see happen and what the limits that can happen

 

[Billysboots]

You'd better let both Surrey and Essex police know that it's not a matter for them. They have both started investigations into what happened. If it's not a police matter why are two separate police forces investigating?

They’ve probably got involved for the sole reason that the offender is high profile. This level of animal cruelty is simply not a police matter.

 

[GB72]

RSPCA have seized the cat, fined £250000.00 by the club and not playing the next match. Its a start.

 

[GB72]

Appears that Vitality have suspended sponsorship of West Ham over this as well.

 

[AmandaJR]

RSPCA have seized the cat, fined £250000.00 by the club and not playing the next match. Its a start.

I think whatever West Ham do now they've lost a huge amount of respect by playing him last night. Anything now seems empty and just reacting to the outrage rather than actually feeling outraged at his actions.

 

[GB72]

I think whatever West Ham do now they've lost a huge amount of respect by playing him last night. Anything now seems empty and just reacting to the outrage rather than actually feeling outraged at his actions.

Worse, it appears that they are responding to their sponsors outrage

 

[GB72]

I think whatever West Ham do now they've lost a huge amount of respect by playing him last night. Anything now seems empty and just reacting to the outrage rather than actually feeling outraged at his actions.

I agree about playing him last night but the problem is, as far as the club, and the club as a business, is concerned, I am not sure what they can do. They cannot just ditch a multi million pound assett, they cannot leave a multi million pound assett rotting in the reserves, they can only fine 2 weeks wages. I not saying I like it, it stinks, but I suppose the club is very limited on what it can do.

Personally, I like the approach that Leicester Tigers used to take to poor player behaviour. If you were sent off and suspended or broke behaviour protocols you were made to work in club shop at weekends. Not known for his great disciplinary record, Lewis Moody was oftern seen manning a till on match day and he was England captain. meant the players had to stand there is listen to what the fans thought of their behaviour.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I think whatever West Ham do now they've lost a huge amount of respect by playing him last night. Anything now seems empty and just reacting to the outrage rather than actually feeling outraged at his actions.

Moyes was right tho. Until the club's procedure had been followed he was available for selection so he picked him. Now the outcome of that is a suspension, and a fine.

That was prob the max limit under his contract you could do.. unfortunately employment rights come into play even if people are awful

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I agree about playing him last night but the problem is, as far as the club, and the club as a business, is concerned, I am not sure what they can do. They cannot just ditch a multi million pound assett, they cannot leave a multi million pound assett rotting in the reserves, they can only fine 2 weeks wages. I not saying I like it, it stinks, but I suppose the club is very limited on what it can do.

Personally, I like the approach that Leicester Tigers used to take to poor player behaviour. If you were sent off and suspended or broke behaviour protocols you were made to work in club shop at weekends. Not known for his great disciplinary record, Lewis Moody was oftern seen manning a till on match day and he was England captain. meant the players had to stand there is listen to what the fans thought of their behaviour.

If they sack him it's just writing off money

He will go on to play somewhere .. maybe not here maybe abroad?

But will be playing again so really the only loser there is the club and as you say it's a business

 

[GB72]

If they sack him it's just writing off money

He will go on to play somewhere .. maybe not here maybe abroad?

But will be playing again so really the only loser there is the club and as you say it's a business

That is why I like the more practical solutions. You cannot easily sack footballers, financial penalties mean nothing and so get him working at an animal shelter, let him see some serious victims of animal cruelty and let see if he can learn a lesson from this.

 

[Swango1980]

I agree about playing him last night but the problem is, as far as the club, and the club as a business, is concerned, I am not sure what they can do. They cannot just ditch a multi million pound assett, they cannot leave a multi million pound assett rotting in the reserves, they can only fine 2 weeks wages. I not saying I like it, it stinks, but I suppose the club is very limited on what it can do.

Personally, I like the approach that Leicester Tigers used to take to poor player behaviour. If you were sent off and suspended or broke behaviour protocols you were made to work in club shop at weekends. Not known for his great disciplinary record, Lewis Moody was oftern seen manning a till on match day and he was England captain. meant the players had to stand there is listen to what the fans thought of their behaviour.

I don't think anyone (or most) would expect him to rot in the reserves indefinitely. However, had they not selected him for the immediate game from when the news broke, that would have sent out a message they took it very seriously. Then, when they had time to discuss the way forward, and how they expected things to pan out, they could have banned him for a few more games and fine him (and also give themselves time to see how the story is going down in the press, impacting sponsors, likelihood of any external investigations, etc.)

As you and Amanda said, by still selecting him last night, any action they take now just seems a shallow attempt to react to public outrage to playing him in the first place, and how sponsors are reacting.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

That is why I like the more practical solutions. You cannot easily sack footballers, financial penalties mean nothing and so get him working at an animal shelter, let him see some serious victims of animal cruelty and let see if he can learn a lesson from this.

Yes I would prefer to see that

Sacking him achieves nothing

Football lost its way years ago

Gazza , best, Gerrard, Carroll , deeney , Barton all thugs

Only one of them has never really been forgiven

 

[Fade and Die]

If they sack him it's just writing off money

He will go on to play somewhere .. maybe not here maybe abroad?

But will be playing again so really the only loser there is the club and as you say it's a business

Crazy to talk about sacking him. If we did someone else would sign him tomorrow.

Was surprised he was in the team last night as i think West Ham missed a trick to be proactive, now it seems we are just being reactive to the actions of our sponsors. Also looks like although West Ham do not condone cruelty to animals they did not to want to make a stand. Again it looks bad.

I know what Moyes means when he says that he has to do the best for West Ham United and that meant picking Kurt. (TBH if he had picked Diop we would have lost) but I think it has inflamed the situation.

The Watford fans got stuck into him last night every time he touched the ball and some of their chanting was pretty funny but you know how partisan football fans are, the more they abused him the more the West Ham fans cheered him. I think a few of the journos i read this morning confused the chant of ZOOOOOOMA by the West Ham fans as booing as I read both sets of fans booed him This was not the case.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Crazy to talk about sacking him. If we did someone else would sign him tomorrow.

Was surprised he was in the team last night as i think West Ham missed a trick to be proactive, now it seems we are just being reactive to the actions of our sponsors. Also looks like although West Ham do not condone cruelty to animals they did not to want to make a stand. Again it looks bad.

I know what Moyes means when he says that he has to do the best for West Ham United and that meant picking Kurt. (TBH if he had picked Diop we would have lost) but I think it has inflamed the situation.

The Watford fans got stuck into him last night every time he touched the ball and some of their chanting was pretty funny but you know how partisan football fans are, the more they abused him the more the West Ham fans cheered him. I think a few of the journos i read this morning confused the chant of ZOOOOOOMA by the West Ham fans as booing as I read both sets of fans booed him This was not the case.

This has the potential to be our "Suarez" moment .. Liverpool backed him (at the time they believed it to be correct call) and they were hounded for it (even are now)

This will define us for ages I'm sure

Hey if it gets peoples minds off the tevez affair and the tax payers stadium lol ?

 

[GB72]

Crazy to talk about sacking him. If we did someone else would sign him tomorrow.

Was surprised he was in the team last night as i think West Ham missed a trick to be proactive, now it seems we are just being reactive to the actions of our sponsors. Also looks like although West Ham do not condone cruelty to animals they did not to want to make a stand. Again it looks bad.

I know what Moyes means when he says that he has to do the best for West Ham United and that meant picking Kurt. (TBH if he had picked Diop we would have lost) but I think it has inflamed the situation.

The Watford fans got stuck into him last night every time he touched the ball and some of their chanting was pretty funny but you know how partisan football fans are, the more they abused him the more the West Ham fans cheered him. I think a few of the journos i read this morning confused the chant of ZOOOOOOMA by the West Ham fans as booing as I read both sets of fans booed him This was not the case.

Which is only added to by the fact that he was played for the home game last night with a less hostile atmosphere but has been suspended for the more hostile away game at Leicester on Sunday. May have nothing to do with it be easy to interpret events and decisions that way.

 

[GB72]

Thing is, do clubs not have PR departments. Nothing excuses what was done, it remains sickening, but the response would seem to be obvious, apology, significant personal donation to the RSPCA and Cat Protection League, some voluntary work, club gets involved in the charity PR or a local shelter and maybe some work with a shrink for the player, couple of matches suspended and I think they could have walked away from this.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Clubs don’t sack players for small incidents

Major issues then yes but not these sort of things

West Ham though should have taken the initiative

Suspended him , fine him the maximum and get him to do some charity work and also maybe a donation

But they are now only reacting because of sponsers reacting and they know it’s now going to hit them in the pocket

Him playing last night was more important to the club - suspect the sponsers are going to hit them in the pocket to suggest they should have made the first move

 

[Swango1980]

This has the potential to be our "Suarez" moment .. Liverpool backed him (at the time they believed it to be correct call) and they were hounded for it (even are now)

This will define us for ages I'm sure

Hey if it gets peoples minds off the tevez affair and the tax payers stadium lol ?

I think West Ham will be OK, this will probably blow over in a few weeks, although Zouma will get stick for longer. I'd be more inclined to agree with you if all the players wore T-Shirts with Zouma's face on it. But, who in their right mind would do that, it would be absurd...

It was a difficult situation for Moyes. If he hadn't picked him, he'd be making a personal decision to punish him. That might not fit the expectations of his employers, who pay him to win football matches. So, I think the suggestion of dropping him last night might have had to be suggested by the club, and at least discussed with Moyes. I appreciate that owners should generally stay out of team selection completely, but I guess Moyes was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Fade and Die]

This has the potential to be our "Suarez" moment .. Liverpool backed him (at the time they believed it to be correct call) and they were hounded for it (even are now)

This will define us for ages I'm sure

Hey if it gets peoples minds off the tevez affair and the tax payers stadium lol ?

Never forget we have Daniel Levi to thank for the freebie

Now back to Zouma..... there is a very funny tiktok going around but Im not sure how to post it