The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 21784]

I have no tolerance at all of people that bully animals, in my opinion he should be suspended and the police should deal with it.
However he is a valuable asset to West Ham and they are already trying to play it down and draw a line under it by saying it’s going to be dealt with internally. The Police have also already said they will not be investigating so it seems like it may have already run it’s course.

I think dropping him only punishes the club, doesn't really affect him.

I think best course of action (as the police are not interested) is max fine (2 weeks I believe) all to be given to the RSPCA

Then make him do some volunteer work for them

Tbh play him tonight. From the mood on the forums he will know how angry the fans are at him. Why protect him?

 

[DanFST]

It'll be intriguing how it is dealt with, and how the public react. Greenwood's could be career over after the allegations against him, and if true then no doubt he should suffer the consequences. Meanwhile, he is suspended and losing his sponsorship deals.

Will Zouma suffer similar fate? I doubt it. Cruelty against animals, it seems, is much less serious than cruelty against humans. I can only imagine the reaction if a video emerged of Greenwood, Zouma or anyone else kicking their girlfriend across the room while everyone laughed.

Are you serious?

 

[Swango1980]

Are you serious?

I rest my case. Cruelty against animals is considered much less serious. I wasn't criticising anyone, just making a point. Drop kicking an animal across a room only requires a slap on the wrist and to be dealt with internally.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I rest my case. Cruelty against animals is considered much less serious. I wasn't criticising anyone, just making a point. Drop kicking an animal across a room only requires a slap on the wrist and to be dealt with internally.

Well it's not even a slap on the wrist is it? The police aren't bothering. Even with a video and an apology (so admitting it)

 

[Bdill93]

Well it's not even a slap on the wrist is it? The police aren't bothering. Even with a video and an apology (so admitting it)

Just wait until the Animal Rights groups start to get involved. I don't think this dies from here, Zouma deserves a ban from owning pets at the very minimum.

 

[clubchamp98]

Well it's not even a slap on the wrist is it? The police aren't bothering. Even with a video and an apology (so admitting it)

Suprized if the RSPCA don’t get involved.
But the police seem to think these days if you apologise it’s not worth investigating.
Wonder if that goes for speeding fines as well

 

[Slime]

I'd put him in prison.
It's all well and good acting tough against a poor defenseless cat, put him in an environment with real tough guys and see how brave he is then!

 

[DanFST]

You would hope the cats get taken away, and a HUGE fine for charity.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Good to see Sky reporting all the facts;

https://www.skysports.com/football/...-met-police-over-video-of-him-kicking-his-cat

"The £30m former Chelsea centre-back is then filmed throwing a pair of shoes at the animal as it tries to escape. A final clip shows him slapping the cat in the face and out of the child's arms."

He's a former employee; what the hell has it got to do with who he used to play for?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Good to see Sky reporting all the facts;

https://www.skysports.com/football/...-met-police-over-video-of-him-kicking-his-cat

"The £30m former Chelsea centre-back is then filmed throwing a pair of shoes at the animal as it tries to escape. A final clip shows him slapping the cat in the face and out of the child's arms."

He's a former employee; what the hell has it got to do with who he used to play for?

On a side did this come as a massive shock to you as it did to me? I really thought he was a decent person. Always came across well liked

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I rest my case. Cruelty against animals is considered much less serious. I wasn't criticising anyone, just making a point. Drop kicking an animal across a room only requires a slap on the wrist and to be dealt with internally.

I’m staggered that someone even tried to bring Greenwood into it

Greenwood appears to have not just beaten his girlfriend but also raped her

There is no comparison and shouldn’t even be in the same conversation- Greenwood will potentially be sent down for a significant amount of years

There is one video of Zouma treating an animals poorly - it’s not good to see and I expect him to be looked at for animal cruelty and punished appropriately but it’s a world a way from Greenwood

 

[Swango1980]

I’m staggered that someone even tried to bring Greenwood into it

Greenwood appears to have not just beaten his girlfriend but also raped her

There is no comparison and shouldn’t even be in the same conversation- Greenwood will potentially be sent down for a significant amount of years

There is one video of Zouma treating an animals poorly - it’s not good to see and I expect him to be looked at for animal cruelty and punished appropriately but it’s a world a way from Greenwood

Again, you prove my point. Thanks

And, just to be clear, at no point have I ever downplayed the seriousness of the allegations against Greenwood. If he is guilty of rape, he should be locked away for a very long time.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Again, you prove my point. Thanks

And, just to be clear, at no point have I ever downplayed the seriousness of the allegations against Greenwood. If he is guilty of rape, he should be locked away for a very long time.

What is the point you are trying to prove ?

Is rape and beating a women up multiple times more serious than kicking an animal a numbers ? Of course it is and will be treated differently because of the severity of the crimes

Did you expect people to see both incidents the same ?

 

[Swango1980]

What is the point you are trying to prove ?

Is rape and beating a women up multiple times more serious than kicking an animal a numbers ? Of course it is and will be treated differently because of the severity of the crimes

Did you expect people to see both incidents the same ?

I actually said that was exactly my expectation. If a video circulated of, say Bruno Fernandes, kicking his girlfriend about a room, he'd be investigated by police, dropped by sponsors and most likely career over. Swap his girlfriend with a cat, and he'll get a slap on the wrist, and an internal club investigation, which will probably come to nothing except some sort of fine. I'd imagine West Ham might be a little more lenient given he is a new club signing.

 

[GB72]

What is the point you are trying to prove ?

Is rape and beating a women up multiple times more serious than kicking an animal a numbers ? Of course it is and will be treated differently because of the severity of the crimes

Did you expect people to see both incidents the same ?

I don't in any way expect the incidents to be treated the same but I do feel that animal cruielty can be swept under the rug and the anticipated slap on the wrist, maybe a club fine, is not enough. Look at the primary school teacher out this way who kicked and punched her horse on video. In court and sacked from her job. I am realistic, I suspect that a footballer with a multi million pound transfer value will not be sacked but I would expect an investigation and prosecution and if I were the club I would be encouraging a very significant donation to the cats protection league as well a bit of volunteer work and education.

All i know is that when i saw it I was sickened by the whole thing and my 2 moggies got an extra hug before I left this morning.

 

[Piece]

I don't in any way expect the incidents to be treated the same but I do feel that animal cruielty can be swept under the rug and the anticipated slap on the wrist, maybe a club fine, is not enough. Look at the primary school teacher out this way who kicked and punched her horse on video. In court and sacked from her job. I am realistic, I suspect that a footballer with a multi million pound transfer value will not be sacked but I would expect an investigation and prosecution and if I were the club I would be encouraging a very significant donation to the cats protection league as well a bit of volunteer work and education.

All i know is that when i saw it I was sickened by the whole thing and my 2 moggies got an extra hug before I left this morning.

Yup. Or the trainer who sat on a dead horse while making a phone call.

A standard two week fine is not sufficient here. Not by a long way.

 

[clubchamp98]

I'd put him in prison.
It's all well and good acting tough against a poor defenseless cat, put him in an environment with real tough guys and see how brave he is then!

Or a proper cat ( tiger enclosure) with keeper of course.
See how brave he is then.

 

[clubchamp98]

Yup. Or the trainer who sat on a dead horse while making a phone call.

A standard two week fine is not sufficient here. Not by a long way.

I remember the woman who put a cat in a wheelie bin on the news.
She was named and shamed .
But does everyone convicted of animal cruelty lose their job ?
He’s a £30 million asset and like it or not I can’t see him being sacked.
Eric Cantona kung fu kicked a supporter he wasn’t sacked.
Money talks.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't in any way expect the incidents to be treated the same but I do feel that animal cruielty can be swept under the rug and the anticipated slap on the wrist, maybe a club fine, is not enough. Look at the primary school teacher out this way who kicked and punched her horse on video. In court and sacked from her job. I am realistic, I suspect that a footballer with a multi million pound transfer value will not be sacked but I would expect an investigation and prosecution and if I were the club I would be encouraging a very significant donation to the cats protection league as well a bit of volunteer work and education.

All i know is that when i saw it I was sickened by the whole thing and my 2 moggies got an extra hug before I left this morning.

Don’t get me wrong - I hope it’s dealt with as strongly as it can and not brush under the carpet

I just don’t see what point there was in bringing Greenwood into the discussion , it’s two Totally different incidents

 

[clubchamp98]

Don’t get me wrong - I hope it’s dealt with as strongly as it can and not brush under the carpet

I just don’t see what point there was in bringing Greenwood into the discussion , it’s two Totally different incidents

Yes I agree.
And Greenwoods is still only an allegation .