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The Footie Thread

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Lord Tyrion said:
Perhaps he is another owner who sees the club as a toy? Rafa was clearly his choice, against all advice. Rafa tells Moshiri that he wants total control and he backs him. Things then go wrong, Moshiri panics at the fan kickback and gets rid. His money, his club.

If Moshiri wanted rid of Brands then why not just do it? Pay off is the same, he clearly isn't afraid to sack. No conspiracy, just an owner used to getting his own way, not listening to advice, getting involved when he shouldn't.
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My line of thinking was these big companies who hire people to do the hiring and firing.

Rafa was Moshiri's choice and the board all voted against it. They didnt want him. They knew the fans and the liverpool link was too strong for the fans to accept it.

Maybe i'm over-thinking it.
 
Stuart_C said:
My line of thinking was these big companies who hire people to do the hiring and firing.

Rafa was Moshiri's choice and the board all voted against it. They didnt want him. They knew the fans and the liverpool link was too strong for the fans to accept it.

Maybe i'm over-thinking it.
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I wish it was that complicated as that would indicate a plan. Sadly, I think it is much simpler than that.
 
Stuart_C said:
Did you miss the bed sheets outside his house and the twitteratti fume?

The appointment was doomed feom the outset.

In preseason the fans were singing fat spanish waiter to him.
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Some were to be fair Stu, the majority weren’t, let’s be honest here, you still have divvies who’ve wanted Klopp out!

Fans will get behind any manager who brings effort and decent results, but some of Benitez’s decisions were baffling, fell out with James and Digne, then puts Digne on the bench and plays Coleman at LB. Brought Rondon in on a free, who hadn’t played since March and plays him up front instead given the kids a chance, he was/is shocking!

One of Benitez’s strengths was his defensive tactics, yet at the end we’d got 6 points out of 39, worst run in the PL.

I’d of loved him to of been a success, but I genuinely thought we’d be relegated if he’d of stayed, at least now we have a chance.

Unless Moshiri wants us to be relegated then I don’t understand anyone saying Benitez wasn’t given a chance.
 
Sunderland have sacked their manager after losing 6-0 yesterday!
Rumours up here they’ve approached Duncan Ferguson:eek:
 
Stuart_C said:
My line of thinking was these big companies who hire people to do the hiring and firing.

Rafa was Moshiri's choice and the board all voted against it. They didnt want him. They knew the fans and the liverpool link was too strong for the fans to accept it.

Maybe i'm over-thinking it.
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Definitely overthinking it mate

It’s a case of someone with lots of money just doing what he wants - Everton are his toy to just throw money at . The key appointment ( same with Man Utd ) - is also the DoF - someone to stop the ridiculous overpriced signings
 
pauldj42 said:
Some were to be fair Stu, the majority weren’t, let’s be honest here, you still have divvies who’ve wanted Klopp out!

Fans will get behind any manager who brings effort and decent results, but some of Benitez’s decisions were baffling, fell out with James and Digne, then puts Digne on the bench and plays Coleman at LB. Brought Rondon in on a free, who hadn’t played since March and plays him up front instead given the kids a chance, he was/is shocking!

One of Benitez’s strengths was his defensive tactics, yet at the end we’d got 6 points out of 39, worst run in the PL.

I’d of loved him to of been a success, but I genuinely thought we’d be relegated if he’d of stayed, at least now we have a chance.

Unless Moshiri wants us to be relegated then I don’t understand anyone saying Benitez wasn’t given a chance.
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I genuinely wasnt having a dig there. I meant before he signed.

Again i think moshiri wanted James off the wage bill.

Digne - again i dont understand how an owner would allow decisions of that magnitude to be made unless he was happy for it to happen.

By that time the decision was made, Benitez was already in the coffin.
 
Stuart_C said:
I genuinely wasnt having a dig there. I meant before he signed.

Again i think moshiri wanted James off the wage bill.

Digne - again i dont understand how an owner would allow decisions of that magnitude to be made unless he was happy for it to happen.

By that time the decision was made, Benitez was already in the coffin.
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If Ancelotti hadn’t walked Moshiri wouldn’t of been getting rid of James or Digne, so I don’t think that was his doing.

Digne went before we lost to Norwich, if we’d of beat Norwich we’d of been 10 points off the relegation places, probably thought beating them and 10 points would of had us relatively safe and Benitez wouldn’t of been sacked, losing to them meaning we had 6 points out of 39 and suddenly we are 4 points off 3rd from bottom.
 
pauldj42 said:
If Ancelotti hadn’t walked Moshiri wouldn’t of been getting rid of James or Digne, so I don’t think that was his doing.

Digne went before we lost to Norwich, if we’d of beat Norwich we’d of been 10 points off the relegation places, probably thought beating them and 10 points would of had us relatively safe and Benitez wouldn’t of been sacked, losing to them meaning we had 6 points out of 39 and suddenly we are 4 points off 3rd from bottom.
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Ancellotti was lucky there was no fans in the ground last season......

James wasnt what Everton needed.

Fur coat, no knickers type
 
Stuart_C said:
I genuinely wasnt having a dig there. I meant before he signed.

Again i think moshiri wanted James off the wage bill.

Digne - again i dont understand how an owner would allow decisions of that magnitude to be made unless he was happy for it to happen.

By that time the decision was made, Benitez was already in the coffin.
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A local blue said to me that from what he had heard Benitez had been given more power than any recent manager by far to look at the playing, coaching, medical, scouting side from top to bottom and implement changes. Maybe you're right.
 
Liverbirdie said:
A local blue said to me that from what he had heard Benitez had been given more power than any recent manager by far to look at the playing, coaching, medical, scouting side from top to bottom and implement changes. Maybe you're right.
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I always am Pierre?‍♂️
 
Stuart_C said:
I always am Pierre?‍♂️
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If you think of the changes they allowed Benitez to make in 6 months:

Got rid of Everton’s Director of Medical, Head of Recruitment, Manager of Scouting, Director of Football and Lucas Digne, James & Bernard.

Thankfully brought Gray and even Townsend in, so definitely think Moshiri was looking at him for a lot longer period.
 
pauldj42 said:
If you think of the changes they allowed Benitez to make in 6 months:

Got rid of Everton’s Director of Medical, Head of Recruitment, Manager of Scouting, Director of Football and Lucas Digne, James & Bernard.

Thankfully brought Gray and even Townsend in, so definitely think Moshiri was looking at him for a lot longer period.
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Out of all of the clubs in european football in recent history, how many owners/boards have given a manager such amount of power and £1.7m?

Its unheard of. Im sticking with my theory that Moshiri used Rafa to get rid of the existing set up and hoped everton would be mid table 7-12th by now.
 
Stuart_C said:
Out of all of the clubs in european football in recent history, how many owners/boards have given a manager such amount of power and £1.7m?

Its unheard of. Im sticking with my theory that Moshiri used Rafa to get rid of the existing set up and hoped everton would be mid table 7-12th by now.
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Apparently the ffp had come home to roost and Benitez would of had a little bit now and more in the summer.

I totally agree he was hoping for mid-table, so was I:cry::cry:
 
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