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Cannot get my head around Poch wanting to leave Messi, Neymar and Mbappe for United?

Is it simply because he will be awarded time to get it right at United? Its not like hes been at PSG a long time!
 
Bdill93 said:
Cannot get my head around Poch wanting to leave Messi, Neymar and Mbappe for United?

Is it simply because he will be awarded time to get it right at United? Its not like hes been at PSG a long time!
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Rumours are he hasn't settled there in the sense that he has no input into transfers, that is done above him. Plus his family are still based in London so he'd be happy to move back to England, apparently he'd have gone back to Spurs had he been asked when they appointed Conte.
 
road2ruin said:
Rumours are he hasn't settled there in the sense that he has no input into transfers, that is done above him. Plus his family are still based in London so he'd be happy to move back to England, apparently he'd have gone back to Spurs had he been asked when they appointed Conte.
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Sounds weird to me.. If "not settled well" actually means he misses home then Manchester to London is no faster a commute than Paris to London really... If its actually that hes struggling to manage the players - then how does he cope with United? Im sure the board there sign players too - not just the guys wanted by the manager.

Wanting to jump ship from a power house thats loaded and ready to compete to win the CL to United is strange.
 
Bdill93 said:
Sounds weird to me.. If "not settled well" actually means he misses home then Manchester to London is no faster a commute than Paris to London really... If its actually that hes struggling to manage the players - then how does he cope with United? Im sure the board there sign players too - not just the guys wanted by the manager.

Wanting to jump ship from a power house thats loaded and ready to compete to win the CL to United is strange.
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PSG is a revolving door for managers

if he doesn’t win the CL then he is sacked

They don’t give the manager any time to build and prob just give him players

At Man Utd which is a bigger club - he will be given time to build his own team
 
Bdill93 said:
Cannot get my head around Poch wanting to leave Messi, Neymar and Mbappe for United?

Is it simply because he will be awarded time to get it right at United? Its not like hes been at PSG a long time!
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Might be finding the 3 of them a bit much to manage. Uneveniable wealth of talent but also pretty much undropable and with all 3 wanting to be top dog, not exactly a stress free environment I guess. His family is still in London as well so a UK job may be a better life option.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Moyes - 1yr
Van Gaal - 2yrs
Mourinho - 2 1/2 yrs
Solskjaer - 3 yrs

How long do you define as being given time? The above data doesn't suggest they are overly generous on that front. Can you re-work a team in 2yrs?
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At least look beyond just the year timelines - a manager will still need to be showing forward movement for the team for the money spent

Man Utd have shown that they couldnt be like Chelsea and swap managers and get success - they were willing to give OGS three years and he got a bit longer because they moved forward a little -

Moyes just wasn’t the right manager

Van Gaal about 5 years too late

Mourinho was winning for them but then went backwards

We didn’t win for 3 and half years but Klopp showed the club was moving forward

Pochettino is going to get more time to move Man Utd forward than he will at PSG
 
GB72 said:
Might be finding the 3 of them a bit much to manage. Uneveniable wealth of talent but also pretty much undropable and with all 3 wanting to be top dog, not exactly a stress free environment I guess. His family is still in London as well so a UK job may be a better life option.
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If this is true then its no given he does well at United - plenty of big names and personalities there.

Liverpoolphil said:
PSG is a revolving door for managers

if he doesn’t win the CL then he is sacked

They don’t give the manager any time to build and prob just give him players

At Man Utd which is a bigger club - he will be given time to build his own team
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Surely though - you give it a run this year! You dont get those 3 players at your disposal often... Could be his best chance at the CL for some time!
 
I really do not get to see much football these days. How are the big 3 getting on at PSG, are they actually gelling into the force that you would hope. Not easy to get 2 such big names playing selflessly for a team.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Moyes - 1yr
Van Gaal - 2yrs
Mourinho - 2 1/2 yrs
Solskjaer - 3 yrs

How long do you define as being given time? The above data doesn't suggest they are overly generous on that front. Can you re-work a team in 2yrs?
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I don't believe that any manager has the potential for a long tenure at Man U whilst Sir Alex still cast's his influence over the club. His legacy is just too great for the club to cut off ties with him, and whilst he continues to have the ear of the club, then it will be difficult for any manager to operate with total freedom.
 
GB72 said:
I really do not get to see much football these days. How are the big 3 getting on at PSG, are they actually gelling into the force that you would hope. Not easy to get 2 such big names playing selflessly for a team.
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Neymar has been out injured for a number of game as has Messi ,

Messi has scored twice and Neymar once

Mbappe is the player who is carrying them - only been beaten once all season so far and will cruise to winning the league
 
GB72 said:
I really do not get to see much football these days. How are the big 3 getting on at PSG, are they actually gelling into the force that you would hope. Not easy to get 2 such big names playing selflessly for a team.
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I don't watch PSG either - Mbappe is their top scorer with 7, but after that it's a host of players with only 3 goals, including Hakimi the right back, Herrera, Gueye, and Neymar. And Messi only has 1.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
At least look beyond just the year timelines - a manager will still need to be showing forward movement for the team for the money spent

Man Utd have shown that they couldnt be like Chelsea and swap managers and get success - they were willing to give OGS three years and he got a bit longer because they moved forward a little -

Moyes just wasn’t the right manager

Van Gaal about 5 years too late

Mourinho was winning for them but then went backwards

We didn’t win for 3 and half years but Klopp showed the club was moving forward

Pochettino is going to get more time to move Man Utd forward than he will at PSG
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There was a good case for getting rid of each one, no question. Let's not pretend that Utd are more generous with time than other clubs of their size though. You deliver or you go, the same will apply if Poch arrives.
 
Orikoru said:
I don't watch PSG either - Mbappe is their top scorer with 7, but after that it's a host of players with only 3 goals, including Hakimi the right back, Herrera, Gueye, and Neymar. And Messi only has 1.
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Suppose this is what I was alluding to. Look at the Liverpool front 3 and the total is greater than the sum of the parts (not saying any of them is a lesser player, just that the 3 together work together to bring the best results for the team). I am just not sure that you would get that with Neymar, Mbappe and Messi who have been used to being the top dog at their team for so long. With Mbappe hinting at heading to Real, Messi having his heart in Barcelona etc, was having all 3 the best option for the team. Again, you know me, very much a casual football fan giving my thoughts.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Moyes - 1yr
Van Gaal - 2yrs
Mourinho - 2 1/2 yrs
Solskjaer - 3 yrs

How long do you define as being given time? The above data doesn't suggest they are overly generous on that front. Can you re-work a team in 2yrs?
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Man Utd were heavily criticised by many for getting rid of Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho so quickly (albeit 2 years + is a long time in football these days). This is probably one of the reasons they held on to Solskjaer for so long.

Apart from Moyes, I don't think any of those managers were part of a careful plan, they were emergency appointments really.

If they are to learn anything, I hope they learn that the next manager has to have the CV in management that indicates they are up to the job at the club, and they then need to give them a chance. Poch has been touted as a suitable candidate for years, so I doubt there'd me much protest from fans. So, the fans would get behind someone like that, and I'm sure be very patient.

So, Poch may see such a project as very appealing, where he would think there is a high probability of him having a stable job. The fans over here seem to think a lot of him, I'm not sure if the French fans have a similar general respect since most of his good work was done in England? I'd imagine PSG are very single minded, they must win the domestic league as they should be far and away better than every other team (and so last year was a big failure) and there is also a demand to win the Champions League, because that is the big prize that is missing (however, realistically, the Champions League is not easy to win, there are several excellent teams in Europe). At Utd, fans have more realistic expectations. We want to win the league and be the best in England again, but realistically know that simply catching up with City, Liverpool and Chelsea would be a good early goal.

Also, ironically in forums like this we slate each others teams, and our own sides on a daily basis. Yet, it often seams that Premier League teams have the best fans in the world generally. To be honest, I've no idea what it is like in France. But, when watching Spanish football, it seems like your own fans can turn on players / managers horrifically after one bad performance, even if there had been 10 great performances beforehand. It feels like fans in UK are generally more supportive of their managers and players, even though it can still turn sour after bad performances are continuous. So, maybe some managers just prefer to be in a particular country, and maybe Poch just felt more comfortable in the UK? But, only he could tell us that.
 
Bdill93 said:
Cannot get my head around Poch wanting to leave Messi, Neymar and Mbappe for United?

Is it simply because he will be awarded time to get it right at United? Its not like hes been at PSG a long time!
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Agree. I can't understand taking a step down to manage them.
 
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