The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

No it was a shocker that is rightly banned from the game now.
He was just lucky he didn’t hurt Henderson.
He’s off the ground and out of control.
Nearly all of them have been red this season the ref bottled it

The ref didn't give it, nor VAR. Furthermore, commentators, pundits on Sky and Match of the Day were not convinced it was a red. Some think it could have been, others probably think it was just about OK.

If the general consensus from nearly everyone was that it was a red, you can probably make the assessment the ref bottled it or didn't see it, and VAR bottled it or were mistaken.

However, there is clearly that much doubt on it, as we can see based on discussion on this thread, that it is difficult to argue it is a stonewall red. At best, you can argue it could go one way or the other and is a subjective call.

 

[clubchamp98]

You obviously haven't realized that without the jump then there could have been no elbow..... I guess you don't get that jumping into people in hockey.

Yes I know what you mean.
But refs have been letting that sort of challenge go all season Kane is a master of it.
It’s dangerous and not even going for the ball.

 

[clubchamp98]

The ref didn't give it, nor VAR. Furthermore, commentators, pundits on Sky and Match of the Day were not convinced it was a red. Some think it could have been, others probably think it was just about OK.

If the general consensus from nearly everyone was that it was a red, you can probably make the assessment the ref bottled it or didn't see it, and VAR bottled it or were mistaken.

However, there is clearly that much doubt on it, as we can see based on discussion on this thread, that it is difficult to argue it is a stonewall red. At best, you can argue it could go one way or the other and is a subjective call.

It’s my opinion ,I am entitled to that.
It’s both feet off the ground , glances the ball and follows through on op knee high.?.?
For me it was a red, you don’t think so that’s fine your entitled to your opinion.
The ref and VAR are not always right or Jota would have joined him but they got that wrong as well.

 

[2blue]

Yes I know what you mean.
But refs have been letting that sort of challenge go all season Kane is a master of it.
It’s dangerous and not even going for the ball.

Yes, in fact, Kane often gets the foul... ridiculous, though Kane rarely causes injury.

 

[Swango1980]

It’s my opinion ,I am entitled to that.
It’s both feet off the ground , glances the ball and follows through on op knee high.?.?
For me it was a red, you don’t think so that’s fine your entitled to your opinion.
The ref and VAR are not always right or Jota would have joined him but they got that wrong as well.

Absolutely, you are entitled to your opinion. However, I was responding to your comment the ref bottled it. I was pointing out that this statement is simply not correct, as the ref may have seen it differently to you. And, I assume he is also entitled to his opinion?

If the ref did not see it as a red card, he hadn't bottled anything.

 

[clubchamp98]

Yes, in fact, Kane often gets the foul... ridiculous, though Kane rarely causes injury.

Fortunately.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

At the time I think there was only me & Paul who saw the malice in his deliberate jump into Ogboona.... the guy needed stitches & was off. I was amazed it was just brushed off as a coming together.

He deliberately jumped to block the ball.

He's more than entitled to do so, there was no malicious intent to hurt the player at all. It was unlucky, just like the Harvey elliot tackle at Elland Road. It's impossible to jump and turn with your arms tucked into your sides.

 

[clubchamp98]

Absolutely, you are entitled to your opinion. However, I was responding to your comment the ref bottled it. I was pointing out that this statement is simply not correct, as the ref may have seen it differently to you. And, I assume he is also entitled to his opinion?

If the ref did not see it as a red card, he hadn't bottled anything.

At the end of the day it’s only the refs opinion that counts.
But he didn’t even give a foul at the time so what was he watching.?

 

[Swango1980]

At the end of the day it’s only the refs opinion that counts.
But he didn’t even give a foul at the time so what was he watching.?

He possibly saw Cresswell won the ball fairly?

 

[clubchamp98]

He possibly saw Cresswell won the ball fairly?

Just like the Holgate one for Everton he cleared the ball 60yds but followed through and got red.
So getting the ball means nothing now if your out of control off the floor.
You can’t claim you won the ball fairly if you follow through into the op player.
There have been lots of these that ended in red.
That’s the problem inconsistent decisions.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He deliberately jumped to block the ball.

He's more than entitled to do so, there was no malicious intent to hurt the player at all. It was unlucky, just like the Harvey elliot tackle at Elland Road. It's impossible to jump and turn with your arms tucked into your sides.

?? He jumped to protect himself! Agbonna was clearing the ball and Jota turned his back, he bottled it as he knew Agbonna was getting there first and would of took him out, as he turned his back his elbow went backwards and upwards.

Did he intentionally mean to hurt him? None of us know, but I genuinely believe if VAR had seen it he’d of walked.

Intent or not it was serious foul play and why does only one elbow go back?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457640811366010885

 

[Tashyboy]

?? He jumped to protect himself! Agbonna was clearing the ball and Jota turned his back, he bottled it as he knew Agbonna was getting there first and would of took him out, as he turned his back his elbow went backwards and upwards.

Did he intentionally mean to hurt him? None of us know, but I genuinely believe if VAR had seen it he’d of walked.

Intent or not it was serious foul play and why does only one elbow go back?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457640811366010885

Simple question,How did that not get a retrospective viewing.

 

[pendodave]

Are we still arguing about this??
Thank the Lord that LFC don't get outplayed every week...

 

[clubchamp98]

?? He jumped to protect himself! Agbonna was clearing the ball and Jota turned his back, he bottled it as he knew Agbonna was getting there first and would of took him out, as he turned his back his elbow went backwards and upwards.

Did he intentionally mean to hurt him? None of us know, but I genuinely believe if VAR had seen it he’d of walked.

Intent or not it was serious foul play and why does only one elbow go back?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457640811366010885

That’s my real gripe about VAR how did they not see that.
Ogbonna was down for a while they had plenty of time to look at it.
One elbow comes out becau that’s the way he is turning.
It’s natural but very dangerous.

 

[clubchamp98]

Are we still arguing about this??
Thank the Lord that LFC don't get outplayed every week...

They scored more goals than us but outplayed really.?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That’s my real gripe about VAR how did they not see that.
Ogbonna was down for a while they had plenty of time to look at it.
One elbow comes out becau that’s the way he is turning.
It’s natural but very dangerous.

What the vid again, the elbow is late imo.

Anyway, that’s when it would of been 10 aside for me.

Roll on the Internationals this week.

 

[Beezerk]

One elbow comes out becau that’s the way he is turning.

Not for me, went to hurt the guy imo.
I find it a bit funny, Athletico play dirty and it’s they’re the worst team in the universe, Liverpool players cheat and get dirty, aaargh no it’s just normal ?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

?? He jumped to protect himself! Agbonna was clearing the ball and Jota turned his back, he bottled it as he knew Agbonna was getting there first and would of took him out, as he turned his back his elbow went backwards and upwards.

Did he intentionally mean to hurt him? None of us know, but I genuinely believe if VAR had seen it he’d of walked.

Intent or not it was serious foul play and why does only one elbow go back?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457640811366010885

VAR doesn't miss a thing. Every tackle gets looked at and I'd bet my bottom dollar that was looked at.

What did you want Jota to do? He was making a genuine attempt to block the ball.
If Jota knows he's not getting to that ball, what do you expect him to do? Get clattered? The speed he's running at, if he carries on in a straight line he runs into him and more than likely hurts himself.

I genuinely believe his momentum causes his elbow to swing. It was a coming together and it was unfortunate Ogbonna got injured.

Just like the Creswell challenge, slowing it down to score a point only makes It look worse than it was.

I thought the Crezza's challenge was a free kick and yellow at most. Slow it down or frame it and its a stonewall red card.

 

[Fade and Die]

They scored more goals than us but outplayed really.?

What would you call it then? Stifled your pointless ticky-takka, marauded through the massive holes in your midfield and dominated totally at set pieces. ?‍

 

[Deleted member 16999]

VAR doesn't miss a thing. Every tackle gets looked at and I'd bet my bottom dollar that was looked at.

What did you want Jota to do? He was making a genuine attempt to block the ball.
If Jota knows he's not getting to that ball, what do you expect him to do? Get clattered? The speed he's running at, if he carries on in a straight line he runs into him and more than likely hurts himself.

I genuinely believe his momentum causes his elbow to swing. It was a coming together and it was unfortunate Ogbonna got injured.

Just like the Creswell challenge, slowing it down to score a point only makes It look worse than it was.

I thought the Crezza's challenge was a free kick and yellow at most. Slow it down or frame it and its a stonewall red card.

A genuine attempt to block the ball is not to bottle it and turn your back, if he can’t see Agbonna then he’s not in control.

The Cresswell challenge I thought was red at the time because he was not in control and we’ve seen red cards given for that. Imo, it was early in the game and he was putting a marker down, I thought VAR helped him stay on by showing his foot bounced off the ball.