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Bdill93 said:
Weird first 11 you chose :ROFLMAO:

Theres so many old high earning low caliber players there it hurts. These are not top 4 players in 2021. Overrated squad.

Tom Heaton
Alex Telles
Nemanja Matic
Donny van de Beek - although unproven...
Scott McTominay (I am a fan but not there really)
Diogo Dalot
Bailly
Jones :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Victor Lindelof
Juan Mata
Anthony Martial
Fred

It's Manchester United... not Spurs. Squad full of garbage.

How many of the above get into Evertons team?
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It wasn’t my first 11, as I said at the bottom, mix and match as you please!

How about you try a grown up discussion and show a better more in depth 2nd XI from the other 3.

As for Everton, we’re garbage and I’d happily take Martial, Mata, Matic, Van De Beek, Bailly, Lindelof, McTominay.
 
Neilds said:
You can have all the depth you like, but if they can't play as a team then you won't get very far - as they have proved many a time this season! :p
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Which is probably why we agreed the Managers are the difference with the top 4 squads, try reading the thread first.
 
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Honestly United just dont have the fear factor anymore.

Load of washed up old blokes on big pay checks or over rated youth prospects that never actually reach the next level.

Rashford is an amazing man and role model - but hes never had a 20 goal season in the prem.
 
Bdill93 said:
Weird first 11 you chose :ROFLMAO:

Theres so many old high earning low caliber players there it hurts. These are not top 4 players in 2021. Overrated squad.

Tom Heaton
Alex Telles
Nemanja Matic
Donny van de Beek - although unproven...
Scott McTominay (I am a fan but not there really)
Diogo Dalot
Bailly
Jones :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Victor Lindelof
Juan Mata
Anthony Martial
Fred

It's Manchester United... not Spurs. Squad full of garbage.

How many of the above get into Evertons team?
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I'd take vdb as depth at west ham

If it wasn't proven now over years that martial just isn't consistent .. I'd take him
 
pauldj42 said:
It wasn’t my first 11, as I said at the bottom, mix and match as you please!

How about you try a grown up discussion and show a better more in depth 2nd XI from the other 3.

As for Everton, we’re garbage and I’d happily take Martial, Mata, Matic, Van De Beek, Bailly, Lindelof, McTominay.
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This is a grown up discussion, one I seem to have more support in than you too. What a silly comment.

You dont need 3 squads you need good squad depth. Proven talent that actually delivers. Players on the bench who walk into other top 4 sides CURRENTLY.

Sorry but United's second options are either 34+ or an overrated youth product. I don't care that they can afford to pay lots of rubbish players - it just doesnt make them any better from having so many of these wastes of money.

On City's bench last night........
  • Rúben Dias
  • Aké
  • Sterling
  • Gabriel Jesus
  • Zinchenko
  • De Bruyne
  • Fernandinho
 
Bdill93 said:
This is a grown up discussion, one I seem to have more support in than you too. What a silly comment.

You dont need 3 squads you need good squad depth. Proven talent that actually delivers. Players on the bench who walk into other top 4 sides CURRENTLY.

Sorry but United's second options are either 34+ or an overrated youth product. I don't care that they can afford to pay lots of rubbish players - it just doesnt make them any better from having so many of these wastes of money.

On City's bench last night........
  • Rúben Dias
  • Aké
  • Sterling
  • Gabriel Jesus
  • Zinchenko
  • De Bruyne
  • Fernandinho
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Bench is irrelevant, I gave you a list of 26 Squad players for Utd, you give 7 players from City, who most would put in their first XI yet you mock me for putting a random XI down for Utd.

Maybe you should try and read the question rather than go off on a tangent.

Should be easy to prove me wrong by listing the 2nd XI’s for Chelsea, City and LPool.

No doubt there will be players those 3 Clubs have who would make the first XI for other Clubs outside the top 4, but this discussion was about the top 4, not other Clubs.
 
The depth issue within various squads has been banded around for a while

Apparently it’s one of Liverpool’s weaknesses- seems we have no depth compared to the others

Each squad has issues

Chelsea - solid back in the full backs and midfield , no striker back up really but plenty in the wide areas. CB and GK not strong

City - strength in most areas as back up apart from striker .

Liverpool - we have back up in all areas but RB we need to rely on Milner , DM is a drop off and the forwards it’s a drop to Origi etc

But IMO all three are as strong as each other - they each have areas that can be improved.

Man Utd - GK , forwards have back up - the rest imo aren’t great, even the main starting 11 in the midfield aren’t great

And have to agree with @Junior - Ronaldo is a great player but it’s affected the balance of the team right now.
 
Ronaldo comes in and the rate he’s going atm he will have 20-30 goals this season,yet some think he effects the balance of the team.
Sorry totally disagree ,the others need to step up and start performing themselves along side Ronaldo.
He’s our centre forward who scores goals and lots of them and crucial ones to boot.
99% of teams would love Ronaldo
Liverpool wouldn’t.
 
Junior said:
Don't get me wrong, I think he's the greatest player in the history of the game. But that's another debate.

What I'm saying is that we're not as good as we were last season. The only difference in the side, Ronaldo. He's 36 and has his moments of brilliance. He doesnt work as hard as Cavani / Greenwood does off the ball and you need that to be a top side. We've adapted the team to fit one player at the expense of a few others. I don't think we'll finish 2nd this season.
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Utd were generally average for most of last season, the points total said it all. Liverpool and Chelsea being off the pace was the only reason second was achieved. There were so many games that were won by a bit of luck or late goal. It wasn't sustainable. The XG's for and against backed it up.

Ronaldo being signed should have made a positive difference, yet all it's done is highlight Ole's flaws. He's clueless and hasn't been able to fit the players together. Forget Ronaldo, more questions should be asked about the defence. De Gea has been the best player this season, yet Ole often plays with two DM's. The defence has been a shambles, Maguire playing like a stricken tanker and Shaw back to his old ways. AWB looking like a headless chicken when he crosses the half way line. That's £160m worth of defenders plus the addition of a WC winning CB and one of the best in the world. Not to mention two £30m back ups.

It's just all wrong on every level. Nothing will change until Ole goes.
 
4LEX said:
Utd were generally average for most of last season, the points total said it all. Liverpool and Chelsea being off the pace was the only reason second was achieved. There were so many games that were won by a bit of luck or late goal. It wasn't sustainable. The XG's for and against backed it up.

Ronaldo being signed should have made a positive difference, yet all it's done is highlight Ole's flaws. He's clueless and hasn't been able to fit the players together. Forget Ronaldo, more questions should be asked about the defence. De Gea has been the best player this season, yet Ole often plays with two DM's. The defence has been a shambles, Maguire playing like a stricken tanker and Shaw back to his old ways. AWB looking like a headless chicken when he crosses the half way line. That's £160m worth of defenders plus the addition of a WC winning CB and one of the best in the world. Not to mention two £30m back ups.

It's just all wrong on every level. Nothing will change until Ole goes.
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Stricken tanker :)
The Tanker probably turns quicker.
In the Euros both Shaw and Maguire were good,now they both look shocking.
 
4LEX said:
Utd were generally average for most of last season, the points total said it all. Liverpool and Chelsea being off the pace was the only reason second was achieved. There were so many games that were won by a bit of luck or late goal. It wasn't sustainable. The XG's for and against backed it up.

Ronaldo being signed should have made a positive difference, yet all it's done is highlight Ole's flaws. He's clueless and hasn't been able to fit the players together. Forget Ronaldo, more questions should be asked about the defence. De Gea has been the best player this season, yet Ole often plays with two DM's. The defence has been a shambles, Maguire playing like a stricken tanker and Shaw back to his old ways. AWB looking like a headless chicken when he crosses the half way line. That's £160m worth of defenders plus the addition of a WC winning CB and one of the best in the world. Not to mention two £30m back ups.

It's just all wrong on every level. Nothing will change until Ole goes.
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Both Maguire and Shaw are and have always been overrated because they are English and weren’t horrific during the Euros - Maguires positionally is poor hence why he has to throw himself into tackles , and how some saw Shaw as at the level of Robertson is laughable IMO

Always thought AWB was a solid defender but ripped apart in recent games.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Both Maguire and Shaw are and have always been overrated because they are English and weren’t horrific during the Euros - Maguires positionally is poor hence why he has to throw himself into tackles , and how some saw Shaw as at the level of Robertson is laughable IMO

Always thought AWB was a solid defender but ripped apart in recent games.
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AWB has been made to look truly awful for one very simple reason. He’s a fullback, not a wingback. Going forward he is utterly clueless with no end product but, defensively, in the main he has been a decent enough signing, albeit with a worrying tendency to go to ground rather too quickly.

If his game has generally gone off the boil I’d put it down to the malaise which seems to affect most of United’s players the minute they step over the white line at the moment. None of the three you mention are bad players - but their brains appear to be completely addled just now, for reasons which have been done to death here in recent times.
 
Billysboots said:
AWB has been made to look truly awful for one very simple reason. He’s a fullback, not a wingback. Going forward he is utterly clueless with no end product but, defensively, in the main he has been a decent enough signing, albeit with a worrying tendency to go to ground rather too quickly.

If his game has generally gone off the boil I’d put it down to the malaise which seems to affect most of United’s players the minute they step over the white line at the moment. None of the three you mention are bad players - but their brains appear to be completely addled just now, for reasons which have been done to death here in recent times.
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All three are “decent” players - but I still find it staggering that Maguire was what - £80mil ?! AWB - £50mil ?! And Luke Shaw £35mil 7 years ago - staggering prices for “decent Prem” players. They are all a couple rungs below true world class quality
 
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