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Personally, I still really like him. I pretty much avoid twitter, so pretty much avoid his political tweets. He's entitled to his opinion, can agree or not agree, but I distance myself from it as much as I can.

Yes, he has not asked for Oles head, and keeps talking about the need to support managers. However, he was also clear he is under massive pressure and was also very clear where he thought we are tactically wrong, and that is the coaching staffs fault. However, if he doesn't want to ask for a mate to get sacked, I respect that. However, even more so, I don't think he has ever asked for any Utd or other manager to be sacked? If that is the case, surely he is being consistent. We know he will never ask for that, that is the board decision. I also respect Carragher voicing his belief that Ole is not good enough and should go. That is his opinion (which I agree with), and he chooses to express that. No problem at all. However, when they know Neville will not openly express the same opinion, I think it gets out of order that they press and press and press it on him, basically to make him look stupid as he refuses to openly agree with them. Was like watching school kids in a playground. Would also be interesting if Gerrard becomes the future Liverpool manager, and after 2 or 3 years Liverpool go downhill. Will Carragher confidently tell us all at home that Gerrard is not good enough and needs to go? I think he'd think twice about it, are be very cagey at least. That would be more hypocritical, as he is happy to call out other managers.

Favourite pundits: Neville, Carragher (yes, still like him as a pundit), Keane, Scholes, Richards (only when Keane is on)
Least favourite: Sutton, Souness, Hargreaves, Jenas, J Redknapp

It was at that point I turned off. School kids in a playground was exactly what it was like, with prefect Graeme Souness leading the way. I cannot abide the man. Neville was never going to win the debate with that pair sat on the other side of the studio.
 

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Anyone else sick and tired of Gary Neville? He was a breath of fresh air when he first appeared but Jamie Carragher now dwarfs him on every aspect of being a pundit. Not to mention Roy Keane and Michah Richards.

He can't give a straight answer as he's trying to cover his pals back. He looks lifeless, tired and washed up. He advocates giving managers time yet sacks more Salford managers than Paul Scholes sucks toes. He's made some very dodgy comments alluding to the vaccine being unsafe on his Sky Sports podcast and is constantly looking for political angles to get cheap shots in at Boris Johnson. I think he should be removed right away if it wasn't for the fact it's brilliant seeing his demise week by week. He's been exposed as a total fraud in management (his tenre at Valencia and joke role as Hodgsons assistant at England) and literally everything single thing he's said about Ole has been wrong. Sky are trying to promote equality yet he's in business with someone who is on trial for slapping women around :ROFLMAO:

I can see why you and others now think like this. I was a big fan of GN but recently I'm a bit more :unsure:. As you say he has branched into political statements and stances, popping up on GMB occasionally to peddle his thoughts on pension credit, etc. He fumbled around a bit on Sun trying to indirectly back-up Ole whilst not backing him up. He needs to wind his neck in and stick to football punditry and I would say try and limit his Man U bias, but when you are faced with Souness, Redknapp and Carragher, it's very difficult not too!!
 
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I need a category lower than "least favourite" for shock-jock Sutton.
Haha, I know. In my system, the best way I could highlight my dislike of him was to type him 1st on the list. However, I should probably add Stan Collymore to the list, and he equally gets on my nerves. But, to be honest, I can't remember him being a mainstream pundit on any channels in a while, so maybe he has been relegated to internet streaming channels like youTube?
 

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I know Sky are trying to cater to the 'banter era' by having Carragher and Neville going at each other on the Liverpool United games - but maybe it would be better to have impartial commentators and pundits for every game. Not much point having Neville, Keane etc on for a United game if they're not going to criticise the manager because they played with him for a decade. Same with Carragher on Liverpool games, he's only going to wax lyrical about how great they are. I was fuming in last year's Spurs Arsenal game, when Lamela scored the outrageous goal, and eight-year Gooner on commentary Alan Smith couldn't have undersold it more if he tried. Why have biased pundits when they have enough to choose from?
 
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I can see why you and others now think like this. I was a big fan of GN but recently I'm a bit more :unsure:. As you say he has branched into political statements and stances, popping up on GMB occasionally to peddle his thoughts on pension credit, etc. He fumbled around a bit on Sun trying to indirectly back-up Ole whilst not backing him up. He needs to wind his neck in and stick to football punditry and I would say try and limit his Man U bias, but when you are faced with Souness, Redknapp and Carragher, it's very difficult not too!!
I think this sums up my feelings as well, although Neville claims he didn’t get involved in politics until politicians started getting involved in football.

I never heard as much praise as you hear criticism for Neville when he was amongst the first (Abramovic was the other) to open their Hotels to NHS Staff for free when the Covid crisis started, Rashford was harrassed and the media searched for any dirt they could when he got involved with feeding kids.

Sometimes it takes someone with a high profile to get involved to bring these things to the media’s attention.

Still see him and Carragher as the best 2 pundits.
 

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I know Sky are trying to cater to the 'banter era' by having Carragher and Neville going at each other on the Liverpool United games - but maybe it would be better to have impartial commentators and pundits for every game. Not much point having Neville, Keane etc on for a United game if they're not going to criticise the manager because they played with him for a decade. Same with Carragher on Liverpool games, he's only going to wax lyrical about how great they are. I was fuming in last year's Spurs Arsenal game, when Lamela scored the outrageous goal, and eight-year Gooner on commentary Alan Smith couldn't have undersold it more if he tried. Why have biased pundits when they have enough to choose from?
I don't mind ex-players being pundits on matches they were an ex-player. OK, they may have certain barriers if it involves them talking about a "mate". However, they are passionate about their clubs. So, if they are playing well they are likely to passionately discuss that. If they are playing badly, they are likely to be passionate about criticising. I'd rather have Neville, Keane, Souness and Carragher as pundits for Liverpool - United than Shearer, Wright, Defoe and Richards. Not that they have nothing to offer, it is just they have little / no emotional attachments to the clubs. To be fair, regardless of the match, you often see the TV broadcaster tries to get ex-players in for the teams that they are showing.

I think I'm a little more in agreement with co-commentators. Personally I want them to objectively show enthusiasm to the live action and then leave the emotional attachment to the clubs to the pundits afterwards. If Utd scored a screamer and Neville was co commentator, of course he will become ecstatic. If Liverpool scored, he is hardly going to go crazy, but rightly act disappointed.
 

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I don't mind ex-players being pundits on matches they were an ex-player. OK, they may have certain barriers if it involves them talking about a "mate". However, they are passionate about their clubs. So, if they are playing well they are likely to passionately discuss that. If they are playing badly, they are likely to be passionate about criticising. I'd rather have Neville, Keane, Souness and Carragher as pundits for Liverpool - United than Shearer, Wright, Defoe and Richards. Not that they have nothing to offer, it is just they have little / no emotional attachments to the clubs. To be fair, regardless of the match, you often see the TV broadcaster tries to get ex-players in for the teams that they are showing.

I think I'm a little more in agreement with co-commentators. Personally I want them to objectively show enthusiasm to the live action and then leave the emotional attachment to the clubs to the pundits afterwards. If Utd scored a screamer and Neville was co commentator, of course he will become ecstatic. If Liverpool scored, he is hardly going to go crazy, but rightly act disappointed.
Yeah, I guess in the studio it's fine if you have one for each team and a third who is neutral for balance. But if there is one co-commentator then he should certainly be neutral.

I know lately they have gone for Neville AND Carragher as co-commentators for Liverpool United games - but it reminds me of the old 'fanzone' commentary they used to have over a decade ago!
 

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Must just be me that barely watched a minute of these pundits, maybe because the ex-footballers from my club are amongst the worst lol

A friend was moaning to me about how the pundits reaction to his sides win and how it had been portrayed at the weekend had taken the gloss off the result for him. Makes zero sense to me
 
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Re pundits.

There's similarities between Neville and those pundits before him re Manchester united managers.

They (the media and pundits) were too scared to say anything negative towards Ferguson. Once he left they all went after Moyes,LVG and JM. OGS is being protected by the same people/outlets....

It's akin to the lack of penalties given against them under Ferguson in comparison to those under Moyes,LVG and JM. They conceded more in 1 game than yernited did in 20yrs under Ferguson.?
 
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Must just be me that barely watched a minute of these pundits, maybe because the ex-footballers from my club are amongst the worst lol

A friend was moaning to me about how the pundits reaction to his sides win and how it had been portrayed at the weekend had taken the gloss off the result for him. Makes zero sense to me

i don’t understand how a pundit changes how someone views a result ?‍♂️ as you say makes zero sense

Sometimes I’ll watch them - actually enjoy when Richards and Keane are on

Re pundits.

There's similarities between Neville and those pundits before him re Manchester united managers.

They (the media and pundits) were too scared to say anything negative towards Ferguson. Once he left they all went after Moyes,LVG and JM. OGS is being protected by the same people/outlets....

It's akin to the lack of penalties given against them under Ferguson in comparison to those under Moyes,LVG and JM. They conceded more in 1 game than yernited did in 20yrs under Ferguson.?

Phil Neville was the latest to come out and support OGS , in fairness I can understand why they won’t demand a manager to be sacked or leave etc - they aren’t there to give that but you would hope that they would give a fair outlook on how things are going - and Neville bottled saying that OGS is not good enough to manage the club , I think Keane would have no issues saying it. Souness in the past stated it about Rodgers etc
 

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Re pundits.

There's similarities between Neville and those pundits before him re Manchester united managers.

They (the media and pundits) were too scared to say anything negative towards Ferguson. Once he left they all went after Moyes,LVG and JM. OGS is being protected by the same people/outlets....

It's akin to the lack of penalties given against them under Ferguson in comparison to those under Moyes,LVG and JM. They conceded more in 1 game than yernited did in 20yrs under Ferguson.?
It would have taken a brave pundit to criticise Sir Alex, regardless of what club they played for. If they did, they'd have probably been mocked by more fans than supported. Just in the same way I don't expect any pundits to come out and be negative towards Klopp or Pepe, especially the longer they stay and are successful.

I don't remember the details of every word the pundits said whilst Moyes, LVG and JM were in charge, but I do not remember the pundits like Neville and Keane going after these managers. In fact, I seem to remember being more supportive and hopeful than anyone else, as they are now with Ole. It was the media and large sections of fans that "went after" these managers, and again the same is happening with Ole. Yes, Ole has been given more time than the others, but there are loads of reasons for that. He is an ex-United playing legend, so the fans have a lot of admiration for him already. He is a nice guy as well, whereas LVG and JM are pantomime villains, so they are always going to be at high risk as being portrayed negatively in media, and that spills over into the fans quickly. There was also a feeling of building something under Ole, rather than random buying of players before his arrival, so naturally there was a general feeling of giving him time to do that. Sadly, it now seems his time is quickly running out, and nothing like one of United's worst defeats of all time, on the back of many awful performances, to highlight the stark reality of where Utd are right now.
 

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When GN and JC are doing the analysis of the game they are both very knowledgable,get them in the studio with other Ex Liverpool and Utd players it’s just nonsense and point scoring.
Still rather listen to them than some others.
 

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When GN and JC are doing the analysis of the game they are both very knowledgable,get them in the studio with other Ex Liverpool and Utd players it’s just nonsense and point scoring.
Still rather listen to them than some others.
To be fair, Jermaine Defoe just sat there like a mute, whilst the other 3 went at it. Felt quite awkward for him. Had they brought Lewis Hamilton in instead of a Defoe, I doubt it would have made any difference to the show. I suspect Defoe was dragged in last minute as Keane had personal issues, who knows.
 
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i don’t understand how a pundit changes how someone views a result ?‍♂️ as you say makes zero sense

Sometimes I’ll watch them - actually enjoy when Richards and Keane are on



Phil Neville was the latest to come out and support OGS , in fairness I can understand why they won’t demand a manager to be sacked or leave etc - they aren’t there to give that but you would hope that they would give a fair outlook on how things are going - and Neville bottled saying that OGS is not good enough to manage the club , I think Keane would have no issues saying it. Souness in the past stated it about Rodgers etc

Some armchair specialists need to hear what they say to form their opinion. They can't form their own opinion without it.

Over the years we had to put up with the narrative of zonal marking doesn't work because Keys and Gray said so. The media used to go to town on Rafa for being stubborn etc.

I remember the night when Gordon Strachan was in the sky studio as a pundit on a CL night (he often was at the time) and he staunchly defended Zonal marking and educated the dinosaurs of the "only man marking rules" crowd. Strachan was never seen on those shows after.

Andy gray's last word show was hilarious.

I rarely watch the pundits, there was no way I was missing Sunday though ??
 

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To be fair, Jermaine Defoe just sat there like a mute, whilst the other 3 went at it. Felt quite awkward for him. Had they brought Lewis Hamilton in instead of a Defoe, I doubt it would have made any difference to the show. I suspect Defoe was dragged in last minute as Keane had personal issues, who knows.

To be fair, Neville & Carragher like the sound of their own voices that much he struggled to get a word in edgeways. ;)
 
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