The Footie Thread

[Orikoru]

Sorry but your just defending conning the ref, admit it kane cheats as bad as the rest

He's a less in your face grealish because he doesn't play up to it but dives just as much

I don't see it as cheating at all. It's not the 1980s anymore like some people on here seem to think. If a defender makes a daft tackle then forward is probably going to take the opportunity to go down, unless he had a very very good chance of scoring otherwise. That's just how it is.

For me a dive is when there is no contact or attempt from the defender at all and the player just throws himself down under his own steam. Very different.

It is a bit tiresome that we all have to do this dance every single time Spurs get a penalty to be honest. That one today was practically stonewall for God's sake.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I don't see it as cheating at all. It's not the 1980s anymore like some people on here seem to think. If a defender makes a daft tackle then forward is probably going to take the opportunity to go down, unless he had a very very good chance of scoring otherwise. That's just how it is.

For me a dive is when there is no contact or attempt from the defender at all and the player just throws himself down under his own steam. Very different.

It is a bit tiresome that we all have to do this dance every single time Spurs get a penalty to be honest. That one today was practically stonewall for God's sake.

It's wrong that it's even accepted as part of the game

It's cheating plain and simple

Just like when he backs into players to get the free kick

Clever but dangerous

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Eh? The contact was on the side of his shin and that's where he's holding it? Obviously he's exaggerating how much pain he's in to make sure the referee is aware there was contact - this is Mike Dean we're talking about so you have to make sure. Every player does that, the same as every defender throws his arms up in 'innocence' when he's just booted somebody.

Was the contact where he was holding ?

The ball is out of play before contact as well


If it wasn’t the England captain the reaction would be hugely different

It’s the same with this


How did he get away with it

 

[Orikoru]

Was the contact where he was holding ?

The ball is out of play before contact as well

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If it wasn’t the England captain the reaction would be hugely different

It’s the same with this

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How did he get away with it

You've stopped the video in the wrong place so that's useless.

Here you go.. Cash's shin/knee on the side of Kane's shin.




There is no debate about the contact so I don't even know why you're barking up that tree.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

You've stopped the video in the wrong place so that's useless.

Here you go.. Cash's shin/knee on the side of Kane's shin.

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There is no debate about the contact so I don't even know why you're barking up that tree.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1373751938454540296

Enough said really

He knows his stuff more than any of us and one of your own

 

[Orikoru]

Really? Half the time people slate Lineker for talking rubbish but now he "knows his stuff" all of a sudden?

We were lucky to get the pen but it was down to Cash making a silly mistake, diving in and caught him, it was a penalty. That's all there is to it.

I can't wait for the day we get a penalty that nobody takes issue with. I wonder if it will happen in my lifetime.

 

[Jack_bfc]

It was definitely a foul in the penalty box, therefore a penalty.

I have always had issues with fouls committed after the ball has gone on to be obviously going out, or the player would never have a chance of getting it with or without the foul..

In my opinion it shouldn't be given, but the laws say it should so it was...

 

[Orikoru]

It was definitely a foul in the penalty box, therefore a penalty.

I have always had issues with fouls committed after the ball has gone on to be obviously going out, or the player would never have a chance of getting it with or without the foul..

In my opinion it shouldn't be given, but the laws say it should so it was...

In fairness that just makes it even more silly to dive in from the defender!

 

[clubchamp98]

Defender goes to block the cross but dosnt get the ball.
He catches Kane !
That’s a pen imo.
Clever ,Cute call it what you like but it’s a foul.

 

[Tashyboy]

You've stopped the video in the wrong place so that's useless.

Here you go.. Cash's shin/knee on the side of Kane's shin.


That is a shocking angle to try to prove a point and emphasises why it should of gone to VAR. Matty Cash tracks back and slides in to block Kane going across him. Kane for whatever reason leaves the ball and flicks his right leg out in an unnatural movement to instigate contact.

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There is no debate about the contact so I don't even know why you're barking up that tree.

 

[Tashyboy]

In fairness that just makes it even more silly to dive in from the defender!

Am scratching my head at that comment. Kane could of kept the ball in, with his skill he could of done it with his eyes shut. How did Matt Cash know Kane would not keep the ball in. He slid in to stop Kane crossing it. If Cash don’t slide in he is getting a rollicking from the manager for not trying to block the cross.

 

[Orikoru]

Defender goes to block the cross but dosnt get the ball.
He catches Kane !
That’s a pen imo.
Clever ,Cute call it what you like but it’s a foul.

Agreed - it's similar to last week against Arsenal where Lacazette had a swipe and missed the ball while Sanchez dived in to block and ended up making contact. On both occasions it's lucky for the forward, but ultimately diving in and making contact makes it a foul.

@Tashyboy - "for whatever reason" = he was trying to do a Cruyff turn / heel chop thing but missed the ball, pretty much. To do that skill you must plant your foot in front of the ball obviously. I have no doubt that he only went to this move because he saw Cash diving to ground early. Still a penalty though, poor decision from Cash.

 

[Orikoru]

Am scratching my head at that comment. Kane could of kept the ball in, with his skill he could of done it with his eyes shut. How did Matt Cash know Kane would not keep the ball in. He slid in to stop Kane crossing it. If Cash don’t slide in he is getting a rollicking from the manager for not trying to block the cross.

If you go to ground in the box you have to make damn sure that you win the ball cleanly these days. He's dived in too early, early enough that Kane was able to see it and still attempt the chop back. Let's say if he hadn't have caught Kane's leg, he still would have been nowhere near the ball and out of the game. If you slide in to make a block - you have to time it properly and actually make a block. In this scenario there wasn't a block to make as Kane never crossed it in the end.

 

[garyinderry]

I do think kane was attempting the chop back trick.

Had he pulled it off the defender was completely out of the game and kane in a fantastic position.

As much as I think kane is a sneaky sod in general. This is a penalty all day long.

 

[SteveW86]

Oh come on, whatever Kane is doing its quite clear to see that the Villa player slides in and makes contact with Kane and is nowhere near the ball. I think the camera angle from behind the goal shows this the best.

Unfotunately we have a never ending circle with this discussion. For it to stop the refs need to award a penalty if the player stays on their feet (but there has been a foul), and "play acting" needs to be given a yellow card. I dont think giving a penalty and a yellow will work because the players wont care about the yellow.

 

[clubchamp98]

If you think about it.
If a player dummies the ball and just lets it run past him , if he is caught by the defender it’s still a foul.
That’s basically what Kane did but just not on purpose as what he was trying didn’t come off.
The defender made contact and Kane went down.
It’s up to the ref then if it’s enough for a pen ,I think he got it correct.

 

[Liverbirdie]

If you think about it.
If a player dummies the ball and just lets it run past him , if he is caught by the defender it’s still a foul.
That’s basically what Kane did but just not on purpose as what he was trying didn’t come off.
The defender made contact and Kane went down.
It’s up to the ref then if it’s enough for a pen ,I think he got it correct.

I've only watched each angle once and was via twitter, and was "primed" due to the hoohar, but on 1 look at each angle I also seen it as instigated by Kane who moved his foot onto the defenders (already sliding leg).

I didnt consider the Cruyff turn chop, so will look again, but from my minds eye, so far, Harry was instigating the contact.

 

[DanFST]

Never a pen, Kane never touched the ball, and its 2 metres behind him.

Precedent has been set. If I'm a manager and someone slides in the box. My players must run into the defender, regardless if they have the ball or not. If a defender trips in a corner, my players must bundle over him and ignore the ball.

 

[clubchamp98]

I've only watched each angle once and was via twitter, and was "primed" due to the hoohar, but on 1 look at each angle I also seen it as instigated by Kane who moved his foot onto the defenders (already sliding leg).

I didnt consider the Cruyff turn chop, so will look again, but from my minds eye, so far, Harry was instigating the contact.

Well I was a CH and hate strikers who go down screaming and clutching their other leg.
Kane has a reputation for going down easy.
But in this case I think it’s a badly timed challenge and he catches him with his trailing leg.
Kane is like other divers ,even when he gets a genuine pen people think it’s his own doing .
At the end of the day the ref and VAR are always right.

 

[Orikoru]

Never a pen, Kane never touched the ball, and its 2 metres behind him.

Precedent has been set. If I'm a manager and someone slides in the box. My players must run into the defender, regardless if they have the ball or not. If a defender trips in a corner, my players must bundle over him and ignore the ball.

Your statement in bold means absolutely nothing. If the ball was 40 yards away from Kane and a defender tripped him in the box it would still be a penalty.