The Footie Thread

[GreiginFife]

When this is given as a penalty, you know the game's gone. Striker misses the ball completely, THEN collides with Ter Stegen and gets a VAR confirmed pen. Heads gone moment.

 

[Bdill93]

Villa... boys.. we started so well

Still incredible improvement this year from last.

Grealish is without a doubt a top 3 premier league player now, we miss him too much but anyone would - he's that good.

Disappinted Konsa isnt playing for England yet.. how Mings gets selected over him I really really dont know.

 

[Kellfire]

When this is given as a penalty, you know the game's gone. Striker misses the ball completely, THEN collides with Ter Stegen and gets a VAR confirmed pen. Heads gone moment.

That’s stonewall, as was Kane’s. It doesn’t even matter if contact is made - Ter Stegen doesn’t get the ball and forces the striker into avoiding him or clattering him ergo it’s a penalty.

 

[GreiginFife]

That’s stonewall, as was Kane’s. It doesn’t even matter if contact is made - Ter Stegen doesn’t get the ball and forces the striker into avoiding him or clattering him ergo it’s a penalty.

All after the ball has been missed completely. Stegen's activity did not influence the striker missing the ball at the time he missed it.

You have your view, I have mine.

 

[Kellfire]

All after the ball has been missed completely. Stegen's activity did not influence the striker missing the ball at the time he missed it.

You have your view, I have mine.

You can’t just smack into someone or make an opponent think you’re going to and say it’s ok because the ball isn’t there.

 

[Orikoru]

All after the ball has been missed completely. Stegen's activity did not influence the striker missing the ball at the time he missed it.

You have your view, I have mine.

The difference is your view has no basis in the laws of football.

Direct free kick

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• charges
• jumps at
• kicks or attempts to kick
• pushes
• strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
• tackles or challenges
• trips or attempts to trip

If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.

• Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed
  
  
• Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned
  
  
• Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:

• a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)
• holds an opponent
• impedes an opponent with contact

Just as Kellfire stated, the whereabouts of the ball aren't relevant and it even clarifies 'attempts to' trip so there doesn't have to be contact.

 

[DanFST]

Your statement in bold means absolutely nothing. If the ball was 40 yards away from Kane and a defender tripped him in the box it would still be a penalty.

It does, If you've played the game.

It must be clear an obvious who initiated the contact. With precedents like this, I can block the goalie on a corner, if he touches me in the slightest (a la ter stegen above) It must be an instant pen.

 

[Orikoru]

It does, If you've played the game.

It must be clear an obvious who initiated the contact. With precedents like this, I can block the goalie on a corner, if he touches me in the slightest (a la ter stegen above) It must be an instant pen.

I play the game every Sunday but thanks for that. ?

I think Cash clearly initiated contact by sliding in from 5 yards away, personally.

 

[DanFST]

I play the game every Sunday but thanks for that. ?

I think Cash clearly initiated contact by sliding in from 5 yards away, personally.

Apologies, I meant to a high standard.

I get see that, It's one thing players leaving their leg out when on the ball and getting tapped (tho i hate it), Kane completely disregarded the ball leaving it behind him and went towards the defender who was sliding to block a cross. Common sense would indicate that play hasn't been affected and there was no malicious intent from either party. Just play on.

Problem again stems from the FA, they aren't football people. The referee's aren't football people and those in VAR also aren't football people. Should it be a pen? No way. Do I blame Kane for trying this? No way. The game is in such a horrible state, players get crucified if they don't take every advantage they can get. As such, it's painful to watch most of the time.

 

[Kellfire]

Kane just missed the ball and got fouled. He’s a master of the dark arts but in this incident he did nothing wrong.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Kane just missed the ball and got fouled. He’s a master of the dark arts but in this incident he did nothing wrong.

Yep. I'm not sure whether or not some posters have ever played football, because some sure sound like they haven't.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Well I was a CH and hate strikers who go down screaming and clutching their other leg.
Kane has a reputation for going down easy.
But in this case I think it’s a badly timed challenge and he catches him with his trailing leg.
Kane is like other divers ,even when he gets a genuine pen people think it’s his own doing .
At the end of the day the ref and VAR are always right.

Well I was a centre half as well, Liverpool business houses 1st division......as well as lower down.

 

[DanFST]

His back to the ball, looking directly at Cash who's about to make contact. 100% sure he didn't initiate contact? Are you happy that's been given? If so I genuinely worry for the game. Were you livid when Lucas was so harshly struck down by comparison for the assist on the 1st? I didn't see any advantage.




I should be livid Bowen had a shot here the at near post, he should have stopped the ball, ran past it and into the defender.




Just because a defender goes to ground doesn't make it dangerous, or a foul.

 

[Orikoru]

Apologies, I meant to a high standard.

I get see that, It's one thing players leaving their leg out when on the ball and getting tapped (tho i hate it), Kane completely disregarded the ball leaving it behind him and went towards the defender who was sliding to block a cross. Common sense would indicate that play hasn't been affected and there was no malicious intent from either party. Just play on.

Problem again stems from the FA, they aren't football people. The referee's aren't football people and those in VAR also aren't football people. Should it be a pen? No way. Do I blame Kane for trying this? No way. The game is in such a horrible state, players get crucified if they don't take every advantage they can get. As such, it's painful to watch most of the time.

No, common sense would look at the footage and see that Kane was attempting a Cruyff turn with his left heel but made a hash of it and missed the ball - then luckily got fouled to spare his blushes. Of course it should be a penalty, he's fouled the player!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

No, common sense would look at the footage and see that Kane was attempting a Cruyff turn with his left heel but made a hash of it and missed the ball - then luckily got fouled to spare his blushes. Of course it should be a penalty, he's fouled the player!

Lol cruyff turn

Tbh just looks like he got his feet arse about face and lost control the ball.. didn't look like he was attempting to be skillful.

 

[Orikoru]

Lol cruyff turn

Tbh just looks like he got his feet arse about face and lost control the ball.. didn't look like he was attempting to be skillful.

I said he got it wrong, but it's obvious what he was trying to do. Watch it again, he just misses the ball with his left heel.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I said he got it wrong, but it's obvious what he was trying to do. Watch it again, he just misses the ball with his left heel.

Think your looking for something to justify your ends tbh

 

[Orikoru]

Think your looking for something to justify your ends tbh

If you can't see what's right in front of you then you're the one who looking for what they want to see. I can't make it any plainer than what's clearly in the video.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

If you can't see what's right in front of you then you're the one who looking for what they want to see. I can't make it any plainer than what's clearly in the video.

All kane was attempting in that video was making sure contact was made with him. The ball had gone he knew it, he played for a pen. No turn.

 

[Orikoru]

All kane was attempting in that video was making sure contact was made with him. The ball had gone he knew it, he played for a pen. No turn.

Even if he had done that, I'd still be defending him as I don't think there's anything wrong with that either. But on this occasion that isn't what happened.