The Footie Thread

[Billysboots]

My theory is just that he's too stubborn to change his style based on the players he had. He got this reputation as a brilliant defensive manager who wins 1-0 all the time, but he was always able to build on players like Carvalho, John Terry, Makelele. You can't rely on clean sheets when you have Davinson Sanchez, Eric Dier, Serge Aurier... But it's like José's mindset is "my approach works and it will again". If we'd have bought some top centre back for him it might have been better, but we're not a club that can throw money around like his previous ones. It's just a mismatch of club and manager I think, and he's past the point of no return. We have a superb attack but they know they have to score 2 or 3 off about 5 chances at times to win a game and it's not sustainable.

You can argue the man management thing, but then I think Dele deserved to be out in the cold because he was pants for the previous year, plus easing in Bale slowing actually seemed to work as he suddenly hit some form. So I'm not sure if any players can feel hard done by in that respect. I just think it's too much to expect this defence to keep clean sheets, and the forwards to score 70% of their chances, and they're all jaded because of it.

Some really good points. On the man management issue, I really do dislike it when Mourinho lays into his players in public. Don’t get me wrong, some may react positively to it, but certainly not all. I cited Luke Shaw as an example but there are certainly others.

Anyone who has ever managed a team of any sort knows that, routinely, you just don’t do it.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Not quite sure how being a manager at Newcastle, in current times, equates to being a "good job" ...

Early retirement / redundancy package?

 

[Jensen]

The sad thing is that Levy could have prevented this by not appointing Mourinho in the first place - he must have known what the outcome would be, because it’s happened time and again.

Mourinho in his day was a fine coach, but an appalling manager. He has no idea how to manage people. Luke Shaw pre-Mourinho was a star in the making. Then Jose threw him under the bus, in public. Along comes Solskjaer, throws an arm around Shaw’s shoulders, and all of a sudden you have the best left back in the country. That one player typifies where Mourinho gets in wrong, and he never learns.

When things start to turn sour at a club, he starts to distance himself from the players, who are always the problem. Never him. He loses every dressing room he works with.

Every football fan could have written the Spurs script. If we could see it, why couldn’t Levy?

Fantastic post, bang on the best I have read in a long, long tine

 

[MegaSteve]

Early retirement / redundancy package?

I get it that compared to 'normal' employment management in football is an easy gig...
Which is why so many old school managers hang on way past their sell by date...
Not sure, aside from the obvious remuneration benefits, having Ashley as a boss is that great a gig...

 

[USER1999]

Rumour has it Mourinho will get 25m when Spurs sack him. He must have made 100m plus, probably nearer 150m by being sacked. Nice work if you can get it.

 

[MegaSteve]

Rumour has it Mourinho will get 25m when Spurs sack him. He must have made 100m plus, probably nearer 150m by being sacked. Nice work if you can get it.

Getting paid whilst failing is not an experience the vast majority of us will get to enjoy...

 

[Steve Wilkes]

Fantastic post, bang on the best I have read in a long, long tine

The sad thing is that Levy could have prevented this by not appointing Mourinho in the first place - he must have known what the outcome would be, because it’s happened time and again.

Mourinho in his day was a fine coach, but an appalling manager. He has no idea how to manage people. Luke Shaw pre-Mourinho was a star in the making. Then Jose threw him under the bus, in public. Along comes Solskjaer, throws an arm around Shaw’s shoulders, and all of a sudden you have the best left back in the country. That one player typifies where Mourinho gets in wrong, and he never learns.

When things start to turn sour at a club, he starts to distance himself from the players, who are always the problem. Never him. He loses every dressing room he works with.

Every football fan could have written the Spurs script. If we could see it, why couldn’t Levy?

But who do you appoint, who's going to be a sure fire winner?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

My theory is just that he's too stubborn to change his style based on the players he had. He got this reputation as a brilliant defensive manager who wins 1-0 all the time, but he was always able to build on players like Carvalho, John Terry, Makelele. You can't rely on clean sheets when you have Davinson Sanchez, Eric Dier, Serge Aurier... But it's like José's mindset is "my approach works and it will again". If we'd have bought some top centre back for him it might have been better, but we're not a club that can throw money around like his previous ones. It's just a mismatch of club and manager I think, and he's past the point of no return. We have a superb attack but they know they have to score 2 or 3 off about 5 chances at times to win a game and it's not sustainable.

You can argue the man management thing, but then I think Dele deserved to be out in the cold because he was pants for the previous year, plus easing in Bale slowing actually seemed to work as he suddenly hit some form. So I'm not sure if any players can feel hard done by in that respect. I just think it's too much to expect this defence to keep clean sheets, and the forwards to score 70% of their chances, and they're all jaded because of it.

When he first went to Chelsea they scored for fun tho? Robben, duff, j Cole feeding drogba and lampard just banging them in

 

[Orikoru]

When he first went to Chelsea they scored for fun tho? Robben, duff, j Cole feeding drogba and lampard just banging them in

We do that occasionally! Proper Jekyll & Hyde. We smashed United 6-1, seems like a lifetime ago but was in fact only 5 months back.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Really looking forward to the game this afternoon now

Noble bench. (Always a positive) but benrahma given a start

The 4 attacking players of lingard, Bowen, benrahma and Antonio

I reckon we might get a pen today . Very fast tricky players

 

[USER1999]

Really looking forward to the game this afternoon now

Noble bench. (Always a positive) but benrahma given a start

The 4 attacking players of lingard, Bowen, benrahma and Antonio

I reckon we might get a pen today . Very fast tricky players

If Luiz is playing, it's a certainty.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

If Luiz is playing, it's a certainty.

Lol maybe tricky players plus clumsy defender will cancel each other out today

 

[Tashyboy]

My theory is just that he's too stubborn to change his style based on the players he had. He got this reputation as a brilliant defensive manager who wins 1-0 all the time, but he was always able to build on players like Carvalho, John Terry, Makelele. You can't rely on clean sheets when you have Davinson Sanchez, Eric Dier, Serge Aurier... But it's like José's mindset is "my approach works and it will again". If we'd have bought some top centre back for him it might have been better, but we're not a club that can throw money around like his previous ones. It's just a mismatch of club and manager I think, and he's past the point of no return. We have a superb attack but they know they have to score 2 or 3 off about 5 chances at times to win a game and it's not sustainable.

You can argue the man management thing, but then I think Dele deserved to be out in the cold because he was pants for the previous year, plus easing in Bale slowing actually seemed to work as he suddenly hit some form. So I'm not sure if any players can feel hard done by in that respect. I just think it's too much to expect this defence to keep clean sheets, and the forwards to score 70% of their chances, and they're all jaded because of it.

The thing is though with the players Jose has, he knew what he was coming to, he knew the players that were there and must of convinced Levy he could get the best out of them. They say the league table never lies, yet Spurs are a point behind Liverpool.
How many times have we heard anyone could manage a team full of stars. Pochotino looks a genius at the side of Mourinho. If Delli is not on top of his game it is up to Mourinho to get the best out of him. Look at Luke Shaw now. Same person,different player.
My fear for Spurs is if they are not in Europe next season Kane says “ am off”. That aside I have a feeling the transfer market will be very interesting with the comings and going’s. Lastly Rafa Benitez has said he would like to come back to the Prem ASAP ? Keep your eye on that on Spuds fans.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Great start, keep this up

 

[USER1999]

This is going to be a gubbing.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

This is going to be a gubbing.

I hope so. Nothing against you but I really want to beat someone comprehensively . The team is playing well

 

[Deleted member 21784]

This is going to be a gubbing.

Great goal from you guys. Their saying own goal but still

 

[Billysboots]

But who do you appoint, who's going to be a sure fire winner?

That’s the million dollar question. But such is the pattern of behaviour with Mourinho I remain stunned that Levy hired him.

 

[USER1999]

Luiz was at fault for two of the goals, and Tierney didn't help himself with the other one. West Ham playing well though for the first 30.

 

[fundy]

Luiz was at fault for two of the goals, and Tierney didn't help himself with the other one. West Ham playing well though for the first 30.

Truly awful defense (selection and performance)

Chambers was only about 20 yards out of position for the 2nd one too, Luiz and Mari just not a pairing I want to see and Xhaka jogging about without a care in the world

On the plus side it didnt come as a shock

West Ham been good, if they have any sense theyll realise to keep attacking our soft underbelly rather than trying to sit on their lead, if they dont then it could get interesting