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The Footie Thread

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clubchamp98 said:
Inconsistent.
Really poor at their job.
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The ref last night was awful

He bought every single bit of play acting

I mean grealish one was awful he held the wrong leg when he went down like a sack of spuds
 
Well considering the level of injuries that’s a pretty impressive win - heck of a game for the young keeper , very very calm and didn’t seem phased at all. Can see him playing at the weekend as well
 
pauldj42 said:
No I’m not, I’m saying that’s the fact.

Was anything changed reference last night or with VVD? No, so it’s irrelevant whether we believe they were right or wrong when it comes to what actually happened.

I believe we all wished we had Officials that got every single decision correct, but we also know that’ll never happen.

Sadly we have to accept they get decisions right and wrong, hope the ones they recognise or the powers that be recognise (not your biased supporter) they got wrong they learn from or if the case may be, they change the laws if needed.
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Thats the current massive problem though.

They are changing rules or at least interpretations of them, or FIFA/UEFA are issuing directives to work alongside VAR and its making it worse!!!!!

The handball rule is well worse, rewards someone who can find an opponents arm from a yard away instead of someone who can bend it in the top corner.

They are also NOT learning anything. You have confidence in them if you like, I'm losing all of it, and wont just accept the so-called "Facts" of a decision. How can they be facts when they are for subjective decisions?
 
DanFST said:
My sister got married at Terry Venables' small hotel in Spain, was there a few nights and had quite a few beers with him, we had this same conversation. The Fa/Uefa/Insert footballing body here is run by absolute self serving clowns that have never played the game before. They don't care. In turn none of the ex pro's want anything to do with it. Then you have referee's that have never played the game before, that are "supported" and follow procedures that come from the governing body, who have no idea about the game. No ex pro's want to be referee's, why would they be?

Look at Cricket, Rugby etc. Governing bodies and rules officials that have played the game before. Only the people in the governing bodies aided by the rules officials could turn VAR (which should have been a slam dunk) into what it is now, an absolute farce.




I too think he was right, but the refs aren't capable of being any better. They haven't played the game before, they get no good support from the powers that be. It takes a very "special" type of person to become a ref.
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Bang on.

We are the generation that have inherited the football that Sepp Blatter wanted, A non-contact sport with tackling virtually banned. I think he influenced law-makers and committees with appointments of certain refs. Most refs judge a foul all based on whether someone hits the deck or not. Its a race to hit the deck now. Centre halves and full backs waiting for contact out by the touch line and no problems with risking hitting the deck and leaving the ball available, as 90% of the time they will get a decision.

I stopped watching the World cup in South Africa as it was rife, and sadly an Englishman was one of the worst culpirits - Joe Cole. He actually rode a tackle once and went on and scored!!! Thats one of the reasons I wouldnt have Grealish for free, would rather have Foden any day of the week. A proper player who gives and takes, moves the ball quick and makes good angles for keeping the game going rather than inviting contact (and in turn fouls), just to win free kicks. Carragher was right the other night, he's more like Hazard tha Gazza - a free kick collector, although at least when Hazard did stay on his feet, he was unplayable.
 
Liverbirdie said:
Thats the current massive problem though.

They are changing rules or at least interpretations of them, or FIFA/UEFA are issuing directives to work alongside VAR and its making it worse!!!!!

The handball rule is well worse, rewards someone who can find an opponents arm from a yard away instead of someone who can bend it in the top corner.

They are also NOT learning anything. You have confidence in them if you like, I'm losing all of it, and wont just accept the so-called "Facts" of a decision. How can they be facts when they are for subjective decisions?
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Were have I said I have confidence in them? The “fact” or ”reality” if you want is that we are 10 games into a season and it isn’t going to change overnight or just because we the fans don’t like it.

I’d bin VAR tomorrow and have every game reassessed afterwards and give retrospective punishments both to players and teams.

Money runs the games now, very few in authority care about the fans.

Said it before and I’ll say it again if you don’t start taking points off teams nothing will change.

Referees are way below standard, but putting all the blame on them, as some are, is ridiculous.
 
pauldj42 said:
Were have I said I have confidence in them? The “fact” or ”reality” if you want is that we are 10 games into a season and it isn’t going to change overnight or just because we the fans don’t like it.

I’d bin VAR tomorrow and have every game reassessed afterwards and give retrospective punishments both to players and teams.

Money runs the games now, very few in authority care about the fans.

Said it before and I’ll say it again if you don’t start taking points off teams nothing will change.

Referees are way below standard, but putting all the blame on them, as some are, is ridiculous.
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Your quoting more "facts" than Rafa!

I'm not putting all the blame on refs, as a good deal of it is the so-called structure they work under.

1. FIFA/UEFA imposing European style "standards" of refereeing on us. Giving fouls for slight contact, not being able to take a clean ball with studs showing, handballs being given with no reaction times for defenders.

2. The FA for listening to them.

3. Mike Reilly not letting refs look at the monitors next season.

4. VAR refs being even more inconsistent than what they were before VAR. The consistency should have been better with VAR.

5. Kevin Friend still being in a job - stealing a living for over 10 years.

We need a re-set in football for what is a foul and what isnt and it needs to be at all the professional levels. A foul should be enough for you to have to have to hit the deck, or at least to be seriously impeded. I want to see refs tell players to get up and get on with it 10 times a game, until they learn.
 
DanFST said:
Not really, I was there and it's one that sticks in my head. I can tell you it was a foul, Jarvis tried to stay up, tripped and scuffed the shot. Here's The post match analysis after:

Speaking as a pundit for Sky Sports, Gary Neville was equally as bemused at Jarvis’ honesty, saying: “He should have gone down. Well done, your team haven’t won a game. You can either be an angel and do what Matt Jarvis did and get a pat on the back off his nan when he goes home tonight, or he can win his team a penalty. The referee won’t give it if you don’t go down. Sam [Allardyce] said it, if you don’t go down you don’t get a penalty. It’s a foul. I suppose in some ways people can say ‘It’s disappointing to hear you say that Gary’ -- well then be disappointed, because ultimately that’s the game.”

The game is F****d, pundits making excuses. Inept referee's that are scared to use common sense. The FA should have stamped on this ages ago, but they didn't and now it's just the game. I hate it.


I think sunshine is referring to this: "the beautiful game"

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Some very good points here.

Ultimately, common sense has left the game. There is so much nit-picking, whining and cheating that all sense of perspective has been lost: refs have been backed into a corner and like a cornered animal, make erratic decisions due to panic.
 
sunshine said:
Some very good points here.

Ultimately, common sense has left the game. There is so much nit-picking, whining and cheating that all sense of perspective has been lost: refs have been backed into a corner and like a cornered animal, make erratic decisions due to panic.
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I think some of the bad decisions are coming from their concentration being broken by a constant stream of chatter from the VAR and Lino’s microphones in their ear.
It must have an effect similar to a conversation on the phone in a car handsfree.
They have messed the laws ( interpretation) of them to much and it’s very open for different opinions.imo.
 
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