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[Deleted member 16999]

"Arsene Wenger has praised West Ham winger Matt Jarvis for not going to ground to win a penalty during Arsenal’s 3-1 win at the Emirates on Tuesday -- but Sam Allardyce insisted his player had been too honest. Jarvis, who scored the opening goal of the game, was challenged in the penalty area by Bacary Sagna after 16 minutes but, while there was contact, the West Ham attacker remained on his feet."

The fact that this is even in print shows how bad the game is. No one knows what a foul is anymore. This should not be a thing.

The fact you’ve gone back 6 years to find a quote says enough! A quote that doesn’t even say if it was a foul or not, not all contact is a foul after all.

Players/Managers/Ex-Pro’s are constantly talking about entitlement to go down with any contact and it’s wrong.

As I said in the post you answered, nobody on here will condone cheating and as far as I’m aware Sam Allardyce isn’t on here.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

When did football turn into a 100m sprint finish? It's sad that this is where we are...

Your post makes no sense or you don’t watch football.

 

[DanFST]

The fact you’ve gone back 6 years to find a quote says enough! A quote that doesn’t even say if it was a foul or not, not all contact is a foul after all.

Players/Managers/Ex-Pro’s are constantly talking about entitlement to go down with any contact and it’s wrong.

As I said in the post you answered, nobody on here will condone cheating and as far as I’m aware Sam Allardyce isn’t on here.

Not really, I was there and it's one that sticks in my head. I can tell you it was a foul, Jarvis tried to stay up, tripped and scuffed the shot. Here's The post match analysis after:

Speaking as a pundit for Sky Sports, Gary Neville was equally as bemused at Jarvis’ honesty, saying: “He should have gone down. Well done, your team haven’t won a game. You can either be an angel and do what Matt Jarvis did and get a pat on the back off his nan when he goes home tonight, or he can win his team a penalty. The referee won’t give it if you don’t go down. Sam [Allardyce] said it, if you don’t go down you don’t get a penalty. It’s a foul. I suppose in some ways people can say ‘It’s disappointing to hear you say that Gary’ -- well then be disappointed, because ultimately that’s the game.”

The game is F****d, pundits making excuses. Inept referee's that are scared to use common sense. The FA should have stamped on this ages ago, but they didn't and now it's just the game. I hate it.


I think sunshine is referring to this: "the beautiful game"

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not really, I was there and it's one that sticks in my head. I can tell you it was a foul, Jarvis tried to stay up, tripped and scuffed the shot. Here's The post match analysis after:

Speaking as a pundit for Sky Sports, Gary Neville was equally as bemused at Jarvis’ honesty, saying: “He should have gone down. Well done, your team haven’t won a game. You can either be an angel and do what Matt Jarvis did and get a pat on the back off his nan when he goes home tonight, or he can win his team a penalty. The referee won’t give it if you don’t go down. Sam [Allardyce] said it, if you don’t go down you don’t get a penalty. It’s a foul. I suppose in some ways people can say ‘It’s disappointing to hear you say that Gary’ -- well then be disappointed, because ultimately that’s the game.”

The game is F****d, pundits making excuses. Inept referee's that are scared to use common sense. The FA should have stamped on this ages ago, but they didn't and now it's just the game. I hate it.

I don’t disagree with anything in your last paragraph but I’d add it’s been going downhill for years, checkout Francis Lee in the early 70’s, and we have to ask why so many players do cheat, for me it’s because of the money involved and the spineless FA.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Djd

Not really, I was there and it's one that sticks in my head. I can tell you it was a foul, Jarvis tried to stay up, tripped and scuffed the shot. Here's The post match analysis after:

Speaking as a pundit for Sky Sports, Gary Neville was equally as bemused at Jarvis’ honesty, saying: “He should have gone down. Well done, your team haven’t won a game. You can either be an angel and do what Matt Jarvis did and get a pat on the back off his nan when he goes home tonight, or he can win his team a penalty. The referee won’t give it if you don’t go down. Sam [Allardyce] said it, if you don’t go down you don’t get a penalty. It’s a foul. I suppose in some ways people can say ‘It’s disappointing to hear you say that Gary’ -- well then be disappointed, because ultimately that’s the game.”

The game is F****d, pundits making excuses. Inept referee's that are scared to use common sense. The FA should have stamped on this ages ago, but they didn't and now it's just the game. I hate it.


I think sunshine is referring to this: "the beautiful game"

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I remember that one with Jarvis as I was at the game!

Motd praised him for his honesty but gets you no where

Maybe if the player had gone down yest he would have got a pen

 

[Orikoru]

Not really, I was there and it's one that sticks in my head. I can tell you it was a foul, Jarvis tried to stay up, tripped and scuffed the shot. Here's The post match analysis after:

Speaking as a pundit for Sky Sports, Gary Neville was equally as bemused at Jarvis’ honesty, saying: “He should have gone down. Well done, your team haven’t won a game. You can either be an angel and do what Matt Jarvis did and get a pat on the back off his nan when he goes home tonight, or he can win his team a penalty. The referee won’t give it if you don’t go down. Sam [Allardyce] said it, if you don’t go down you don’t get a penalty. It’s a foul. I suppose in some ways people can say ‘It’s disappointing to hear you say that Gary’ -- well then be disappointed, because ultimately that’s the game.”

The game is F****d, pundits making excuses. Inept referee's that are scared to use common sense. The FA should have stamped on this ages ago, but they didn't and now it's just the game. I hate it.

I think Neville was right in a way, although he should have pointed his finger of blame at the refs who don't give fouls when players try and stay on their feet. Rather than criticising Jarvis. If refs were better players wouldn't have started doing it.

 

[DanFST]

I don’t disagree with anything in your last paragraph but I’d add it’s been going downhill for years, checkout Francis Lee in the early 70’s, and we have to ask why so many players do cheat, for me it’s because of the money involved and the spineless FA.

My sister got married at Terry Venables' small hotel in Spain, was there a few nights and had quite a few beers with him, we had this same conversation. The Fa/Uefa/Insert footballing body here is run by absolute self serving clowns that have never played the game before. They don't care. In turn none of the ex pro's want anything to do with it. Then you have referee's that have never played the game before, that are "supported" and follow procedures that come from the governing body, who have no idea about the game. No ex pro's want to be referee's, why would they be?

Look at Cricket, Rugby etc. Governing bodies and rules officials that have played the game before. Only the people in the governing bodies aided by the rules officials could turn VAR (which should have been a slam dunk) into what it is now, an absolute farce.

I think Neville was right in a way, although he should have pointed his finger of blame at the refs who don't give fouls when players try and stay on their feet. Rather than criticising Jarvis. If refs were better players wouldn't have started doing it.

I too think he was right, but the refs aren't capable of being any better. They haven't played the game before, they get no good support from the powers that be. It takes a very "special" type of person to become a ref.

 

[clubchamp98]

Let’s break this down.

You’re saying players ARE fouled and unless they go down the Ref won’t give it?

So if IT IS a foul surely those going down easy are actually bringing the foul to light.
If they HAVEN’T been fouled and go down and get the decision then THEY are a cheat and should get a retrospective ban and if they keep doing it, their team should lose points, fines are no deterrent.

Why do professional footballers go down if his shirt is pulled?
Because refs are so weak they don’t give a foul.
So they resort to diving.
They are bringing the foul to light that’s my point!!!
But if the ref gave the foul for the shirt pull they would not need to embellish it.
Hence my point the refs are at fault for not giving the foul until the player has to resort to diving!

The one who annoys me the most is Kane he gets his body between the man and the ball ,puts his feet together and just falls over the refs give it almost every time.
You couldn’t get Kane on the floor if you tried, unless he wants to go down Grealish is the same.
But they aren’t the only ones all teams do it including Liverpool’s players .

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Why do professional footballers go down if his shirt is pulled?
Because refs are so weak they don’t give a foul.
So they resort to diving.
They are bringing the foul to light that’s my point!!!
But if the ref gave the foul for the shirt pull they would not need to embellish it.
Hence my point the refs are at fault for not giving the foul until the player has to resort to diving!

The one who annoys me the most is Kane he gets his body between the man and the ball ,puts his feet together and just falls over the refs give it almost every time.
You couldn’t get Kane on the floor if you tried, unless he wants to go down Grealish is the same.
But they aren’t the only ones all teams do it including Liverpool’s players .

A Referee has one angle, if he’s the wrong side of the shirt pull how on earth would he see it?

You’re expecting the Referees to spot absolutely everything! Why aren’t you questioning why the defender has to resort to shirt pulling?

Our Referees need to drastically improve, they are of a poor standard, but professional footballers are also getting worse with what they’ll do to cheat.

You say every Team has people who dive, so how about, like was put before, the FA sort their act out and starting getting them to change their behaviour, putting it all on the refs is wrong.

 

[clubchamp98]

Just a small reroute “ who was the last player in the Prem to be retrospectively sanctioned for diving”?
I can’t remember as it’s just seen as part of the game now.

 

[clubchamp98]

A Referee has one angle, if he’s the wrong side of the shirt pull how on earth would he see it?

You’re expecting the Referees to spot absolutely everything! Why aren’t you questioning why the defender has to resort to shirt pulling?

Our Referees need to drastically improve, they are of a poor standard, but professional footballers are also getting worse with what they’ll do to cheat.

You say every Team has people who dive, so how about, like was put before, the FA sort their act out and starting getting them to change their behaviour, putting it all on the refs is wrong.

Sorry either I have not worded it correctly or you are not reading it right.
If a referee sees a foul but dosnt give it until the player embellishes it with a dive that’s incompetent on the refs game.
If he gives the foul in the first place players won’t dive.
Your seriously telling me they don’t see the shirt pulling at corners/ free kicks.
If they don’t then they definitely should not be in the PL.

If you want to discuss incompetence in players / FA fine but I thought we were discussing referees

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Just a small reroute “ who was the last player in the Prem to be retrospectively sanctioned for diving”?
I can’t remember as it’s just seen as part of the game now.

Lanzini and Niasse are the only 2, none since 2017.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sorry either I have not worded it correctly or you are not reading it right.
If a referee sees a foul but dosnt give it until the player embellishes it with a dive that’s incompetent on the refs game.
If he gives the foul in the first place players won’t dive.
Your seriously telling me they don’t see the shirt pulling at corners/ free kicks.
If they don’t then they definitely should not be in the PL.

If you want to discuss incompetence in players / FA fine but I thought we were discussing referees

What’s the time scale between the player feeling his shirt being pulled and the player diving? Fractions of seconds, in that time you’re expecting the Ref to react, whst if the shirt pull is on one player and not the one with the ball? Is the Ref meant to spot everything?

The reason I mentioned players/FA is because you can’t blame it all on the Ref, so I’ll ask again.

Why is the defender resorting to shirt pulling?

 

[clubchamp98]

Lanzini and Niasse are the only 2, none since 2017.

Well that’s the answer about the FA.

I do feel a bit sorry for SOME refs but not all.
They are just not good enough ,but have been given lots of new toys ( VAR) and they have made an absolute mess of it.
Up to a stage now where they won’t make a decision on their own and use VAR as a crutch to bail them out.
They have taken any decision making from the linesman / woman except if the ball goes out of play .

 

[clubchamp98]

What’s the time scale between the player feeling his shirt being pulled and the player diving? Fractions of seconds, in that time you’re expecting the Ref to react, whst if the shirt pull is on one player and not the one with the ball? Is the Ref meant to spot everything?

The reason I mentioned players/FA is because you can’t blame it all on the Ref, so I’ll ask again.

Why is the defender resorting to shirt pulling?

We were discussing refs.
We all know players are cheats and will get away with anything they can. That’s a given!
The FA are just incompetent.

If refs give pens for shirt pulling then next week then the week after the managers will make sure it dosnt happen anymore.
It’s the going to ground with the mearest of touches that bugs me most as in my original post.
It’s this the ref should see imo.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

We were discussing refs.
We all know players are cheats and will get away with anything they can. That’s a given!
The FA are just incompetent.

If refs give pens for shirt pulling then next week then the week after the managers will make sure it dosnt happen anymore.
It’s the going to ground with the mearest of touches that bugs me most as in my original post.
It’s this the ref should see imo.

Had it last night rice pen against him (correct call) but the pull was tiny. None the less a pull

Later in match defender almost had hallers shirt off his back (outside box) nothing given

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We were discussing refs.
We all know players are cheats and will get away with anything they can. That’s a given!
The FA are just incompetent.

If refs give pens for shirt pulling then next week then the week after the managers will make sure it dosnt happen anymore.
It’s the going to ground with the mearest of touches that bugs me most as in my original post.
It’s this the ref should see imo.

Are you suggesting the Refs are seeing shirt pulls and ignoring them?

Meanwhile let the players continue to cheat and do nothing about it!

We are going around in circles, I’m out.

 

[clubchamp98]

Are you suggesting the Refs are seeing shirt pulls and ignoring them?

Meanwhile let the players continue to cheat and do nothing about it!

We are going around in circles, I’m out.

Yes that’s what I am saying.

 

[clubchamp98]

How’s that not a red card on Mane.

 

[clubchamp98]

Had it last night rice pen against him (correct call) but the pull was tiny. None the less a pull

Later in match defender almost had hallers shirt off his back (outside box) nothing given

Inconsistent.
Really poor at their job.