The Footie Thread

[Fade and Die]

Not just this ref it’s all of them.
I don’t know myself now.
If I was still playing I would be off after 10 mins.
It’s not a contact sport anymore.

Basketball is a much rougher game and that is non contact...we're playing a Footie version of Netball...I reckon Grealish has his own personal sniper!

 

[clubchamp98]

Right, I'm now officially dead set against VAR.

There is some great debate, suggestions etc, but when we have to take suggestions from Hockey-ists, I'm drawing a line.









PS the line may be a squiggly one.

It’s not VAR really.
It’s the muppets they have put in charge of it.
And they have screwed the laws to try and make it work ,but it isn’t.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Are you saying they are always wrong?

Double Sheesh

Nope, never said anything like that, not even close.

You, however are saying that due to the VAR / Ref making a decision thats the be all and end all of what was correct.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Until a Ref gives a decision against LPool that he gave for Man Utd the week before.....and all hell breaks loose.

The weekend hit the bar but the other way around.

Penalty given against Liverpool, same incident not given FOR Man U.

Refs eh?

 

[Liverbirdie]

The margin of error for offside would be built built into the VAR system. The point is it can not guarantee perfect angles, perfect lines. Cricket has built this in, I believe tennis has as well. The margin would be a matter of mm, maybe cm's, but other sports have managed it already so why not football?

Smaller pitches for both of them.

With cricket they only need a 10 foot square fixed cameras for most decisions. Tennis just needs an eleccy line a few inches wide, football is over 100 yards pitch, in the main.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Nope, never said anything like that, not even close.

You, however are saying that due to the VAR / Ref making a decision thats the be all and end all of what was correct.

No I’m not, I’m saying that’s the fact.

Was anything changed reference last night or with VVD? No, so it’s irrelevant whether we believe they were right or wrong when it comes to what actually happened.

I believe we all wished we had Officials that got every single decision correct, but we also know that’ll never happen.

Sadly we have to accept they get decisions right and wrong, hope the ones they recognise or the powers that be recognise (not your biased supporter) they got wrong they learn from or if the case may be, they change the laws if needed.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Smaller pitches for both of them.

With cricket they only need a 10 foot square fixed cameras for most decisions. Tennis just needs an eleccy line a few inches wide, football is over 100 yards pitch, in the main.

That makes the margin of error feature even more relevant. Tennis is the easiest to set up and they have umpires call still.

 

[clubchamp98]

Basketball is a much rougher game and that is non contact...we're playing a Footie version of Netball...I reckon Grealish has his own personal sniper!

Modern footballers are very clever.
They run like the wind to get in front of an op and then put the brakes on and just fall over at the featherlight touch of an opponent.
I blame the refs for most of it .
They are conned by players from the first minute to the last.
But they should be able to tell what’s a blatant dive imo.
It’s rife in the game now as refs are just not good enough.
Every teams got them.
This and VAR it’s put me off watching the game now.

 

[DanFST]

Modern footballers are very clever.
They run like the wind to get in front of an op and then put the brakes on and just fall over at the featherlight touch of an opponent.
I blame the refs for most of it .
They are conned by players from the first minute to the last.
But they should be able to tell what’s a blatant dive imo.
It’s rife in the game now as refs are just not good enough.
Every teams got them.
This and VAR it’s put me off watching the game now.

Spot on, It changed when players "had the right to go down". If i'd have gone down like that when I played 20 years ago my knees would be at high risk the rest of the game, and that was to a high level!

I get a lot out of watching league 2 and below football now.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Modern footballers are very clever.
They run like the wind to get in front of an op and then put the brakes on and just fall over at the featherlight touch of an opponent.
I blame the refs for most of it .
They are conned by players from the first minute to the last.
But they should be able to tell what’s a blatant dive imo.
It’s rife in the game now as refs are just not good enough.
Every teams got them.
This and VAR it’s put me off watching the game now.

Sorry, just to clarify, you’re blaming the Refs for being conned by cheating?

They get one look at an incident at a range from 1 yard to 50 yards whilst also being expected to keep an eye on just about everything else going on and they should be able to tell the difference?

Sorry, not having that, agree Referees need to up their game, but the players need to up theirs as well.

 

[pendodave]

Spot on, It changed when players "had the right to go down". If i'd have gone down like that when I played 20 years ago my knees would be at high risk the rest of the game, and that was to a high level!

I get a lot out of watching league 2 and below football now.

Completely agree re "right to go down". Is it in the laws of the game? I don't think so. We've had this talked into the "new normal" by gormless ex pros on the telly.
If contact was sufficient to impede/trip a player, it's a foul, if not (and a lot of them aren't) play on.

 

[clubchamp98]

Sorry, just to clarify, you’re blaming the Refs for being conned by cheating?

They get one look at an incident at a range from 1 yard to 50 yards whilst also being expected to keep an eye on just about everything else going on and they should be able to tell the difference?

Sorry, not having that, agree Referees need to up their game, but the players need to up theirs as well.

Sorry if a ref can’t spot a blatant dive they should not be reffing.
And yes I am they can’t tell the difference between a good tackle and a foul anymore.

Answer me this “ why do so many players go down in the box when they have been fouled ,but not enough to put them on the floor”
Imo it’s because the ref dosnt give it so they are “entitled to go down if they feel contact”
It’s embarrassing at times.
But if the ref can be conned that easily he shouldn’t be out there.
I am not saying players don’t cheat they do

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sorry if a ref can’t spot a blatant dive they should not be reffing.
And yes I am they can’t tell the difference between a good tackle and a foul anymore.

Answer me this “ why do so many players go down in the box when they have been fouled ,but not enough to put them on the floor”
Imo it’s because the ref dosnt give it so they are “entitled to go down if they feel contact”
It’s embarrassing at times.
But if the ref can be conned that easily he shouldn’t be out there.
I am not saying players don’t cheat they do

Let’s break this down.

You’re saying players ARE fouled and unless they go down the Ref won’t give it?

So if IT IS a foul surely those going down easy are actually bringing the foul to light.

If they HAVEN’T been fouled and go down and get the decision then THEY are a cheat and should get a retrospective ban and if they keep doing it, their team should lose points, fines are no deterrent.

 

[fundy]

Let’s break this down.

You’re saying players ARE fouled and unless they go down the Ref won’t give it?

So if IT IS a foul surely those going down easy are actually bringing the foul to light.

If they HAVEN’T been fouled and go down and get the decision then THEY are a cheat and should get a retrospective ban and if they keep doing it, their team should lose points, fines are no deterrent.

Lets break it down further, in a lot of these cases there is contact but not enough to impede the player or make it a foul, going down when you dont need to is diving!

Players now go down to make it look worse and "win" their team a penalty/free kick, all openly encouraged my managers commentators and fans when it suits them

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Lets break it down further, in a lot of these cases there is contact but not enough to impede the player or make it a foul, going down when you dont need to is diving!

Players now go down to make it look worse and "win" their team a penalty/free kick, all openly encouraged my managers commentators and fans when it suits them

I totally oppose those players who feel they need to “win” a penalty/free kick etc when they haven’t been fouled.

But my answer was in response to CC saying they had been fouled and went down to almost make sure the Ref has seen it or will give it.

Only one of those, imo, is blatant cheating.

 

[fundy]

I totally oppose those players who feel they need to “win” a penalty/free kick etc when they haven’t been fouled.

But my answer was in response to CC saying they had been fouled and went down to almost make sure the Ref has seen it or will give it.

Only one of those, imo, is blatant cheating.

depends on whether you agree theyve actually been fouled i guess

 

[Deleted member 16999]

depends on whether you agree theyve actually been fouled i guess

I was only going by him saying they had.?‍.

I don’t think anyone on here will condone cheating.

 

[sunshine]

You’re missing it! If one toe is ahead of the other, regardless of when they freeze the frame they ARE NOT level.

What you are asking for is a margin of error and anything within that margin is deemed onside.

But remember, if that margin of error is for example 2cm then 2.01cm would be offside.

When did football turn into a 100m sprint finish? It's sad that this is where we are...

 

[DanFST]

I was only going by him saying they had.?‍.

I don’t think anyone on here will condone cheating.

"Arsene Wenger has praised West Ham winger Matt Jarvis for not going to ground to win a penalty during Arsenal’s 3-1 win at the Emirates on Tuesday -- but Sam Allardyce insisted his player had been too honest. Jarvis, who scored the opening goal of the game, was challenged in the penalty area by Bacary Sagna after 16 minutes but, while there was contact, the West Ham attacker remained on his feet."

The fact that this is even in print shows how bad the game is. No one knows what a foul is anymore. This should not be a thing.

 

[Orikoru]

The problem lies when the foul is enough contact to prevent them getting the ball but not enough to send them to the floor, the refs should still be giving the foul but they never do. This is why players started going down easily to highlight that.


In other news, I just read that Villa v Newcastle this Friday has been postponed. Apparently Covid outbreak at Newcastle's training ground.