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I don’t recall any of this out cry When a Saudi Prince bought Sheffield United?
come to think of it, I don’t recall this much out cry previously, and there are some very dubious owners of sports clubs, and businesses for that matter.
Depending on how far back you wish to go, money has been made in all kinds of rotten ways, does it make it better that one rich person had money given to them by family who were evil 100 years ago versus 10 years ago? I guess that’s down to perception.
I’ve been a Newcastle fan my entire life, family are from Blyth and Walker, but I grew up in hebburn, was a season ticket holder before we moved to NI and used to go and stand in the leezers before that.
This last 14 years under Ashley have been awful for the lost part, nothing more so that the lack of hope fans have had.
This has changed now, be it short or long term, who knows, we don’t know what the future holds, but at present, it feels very positive.
I have listened to stavely and Rueben discussing future plans, and not just for the club but the Reuben’s have also been investing in the local area which has to be a good thing.
The PIF part of the group have invested in a lot of areas globally, whether that’s petrol, coffee, sports etc. it’s not up to Newcastle fans to morally take any high ground when our government and others, and other businesses deal with Saudi Arabia on a daily basis.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and even if we don’t agree sometimes it doesn’t always mean one is right and one is wrong, sometimes they just differ.
I really hope my club can progress under the new owners and bring hope back to the city.
“Where dreams go to die” :)
 

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Our owners made their money in porn.

Your new ones currently are using state sanctioned rules such as:

- Torture
- Executions
- Detaining and arresting with no reason
- Very little womens rights. And what they can do requires a man's permission (normally)
- Amputations
- no protests
- banning humanitarian agencies.
- lashing gays, those who have pre-marital sex.


It's fair enough to say you don't really care, nothing you can do about it and you only want to see your team do well. But to compare them to everyone else is a piss poor excuse. There is no "opinion", they are awful people.
I don’t know who you support but if your owners made money in pornography, an industry that has degraded people for years is not a great thing either. granted, it’s not as bad as the things you mentioned about the Saudi State.
I have not mentioned at all whether I agree with who owns my club, but I would like them to do well, as I am sure we all would.
I mentioned a Saudi Prince who bought Sheffield United who received none of the issues people are throwing at Newcastle fans and I mentioned that’s differing opinions are fine, which they are, at no point did I defend anyone or organisation. I do stand by what I said about taking morale high ground though, if other corporations and governments are doing business with the Saudis, why should it be on a group of football fans to do so?
 

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I don’t know who you support but if your owners made money in pornography, an industry that has degraded people for years is not a great thing either. granted, it’s not as bad as the things you mentioned about the Saudi State.
Then why mention it? Your owners abducted and killed a journalist in their embassy, in someone else's country. Are you attempting to say they are even close to being similar?

I have not mentioned at all whether I agree with who owns my club, but I would like them to do well, as I am sure we all would.
I loved going away to Newcastle, great lads, good banter, no trouble. Always felt they were like us, wanted them to do well. Not anymore.

I could care less who said what about anything else. Newcastle are rightly being called out for it right now. If it's worth it to you fair enough, but if that was West Ham I'd get my tattoo removed. They are disgusting. They can't pass the fit and proper owners test, so you are owned by a bunch of holding companies.
 

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Then why mention it? Your owners abducted and killed a journalist in their embassy, in someone else's country. Are you attempting to say they are even close to being similar?



I loved going away to Newcastle, great lads, good banter, no trouble. Always felt they were like us, wanted them to do well. Not anymore.

I could care less who said what about anything else. Newcastle are rightly being called out for it right now. If it's worth it to you fair enough, but if that was West Ham I'd get my tattoo removed. They are disgusting. They can't pass the fit and proper owners test, so you are owned by a bunch of holding companies.
I mentioned it as you did when you mentioned your owners? And I definitely did not say it was similar! As I clearly pointed out when I stated it is not as bad as the things you mentioned about the Saudi State!

Again you say the Newcastle fans should be called out, why?
The sheff United fans weren’t, so why now?
You’re fully entitled to have your opinion, I’d just like to know why now?
 
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I mentioned it as you did when you mentioned your owners? And I definitely did not say it was similar! As I clearly pointed out when I stated it is not as bad as the things you mentioned about the Saudi State!

Again you say the Newcastle fans should be called out, why?
The sheff United fans weren’t, so why now?
You’re fully entitled to have your opinion, I’d just like to know why now?
Man Utd have received millions over the last 10yrs from their partnership with Saudi Telecom who are state owned, never seen the outrage over that either?
 

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I mentioned it as you did when you mentioned your owners? And I definitely did not say it was similar! As I clearly pointed out when I stated it is not as bad as the things you mentioned about the Saudi State!

Again you say the Newcastle fans should be called out, why?
The sheff United fans weren’t, so why now?
You’re fully entitled to have your opinion, I’d just like to know why now?

I mentioned it as it's not ideal, but even they are 100000000x better people than yours.

I didn't mention the fans, just the club. People that say "well others did x or y" should be at least informed they have the most despicable owners in the league. Sheffield did get called out, but they are owned by a Saudi man using his own money. He is closely linked to the state, but doesn't represent it. Yours are.
 

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I mentioned it as it's not ideal, but even they are 100000000x better people than yours.

I didn't mention the fans, just the club. People that say "well others did x or y" should be at least informed they have the most despicable owners in the league. Sheffield did get called out, but they are owned by a Saudi man using his own money. He is closely linked to the state, but doesn't represent it. Yours are.
You didn’t mention anything about it being ideal, you just made the statement they made money in porn.
I mentioned it wasn’t great, and agree it’s nothing in comparison to what you mentioned about the Saudi state. I don’t recall any grief to sheff United fans, you say their owner used his own money? Made how exactly? He is a prince from Saudi, surely this money would come from similar means?
The fans of Newcastle don’t have a say in who owns the club though, it was owned by Mike Ashley, and he chose to sell it to who he wanted to as he was the owner. the fans can’t decide, Newcastle couldn’t decide, it was Mike Ashley’s choice as owner. You’ve made you opinion quite clear, and as I’ve stated you’re more than welcome to it. I stated I liked what I heard from Stavely and Rueben, as that’s all I’ve heard from, they have invested locally already, this is good for the Newcastle area and ecconomy and I hope they continue to do so. It took her 4 years to get this deal so I’d say she is in for the long haul.
In relation to PIF, they have invested in lots of areas, with governments, social media, sports clubs, etc, whether people agree or not, they will continue to do so.
If what you say is right, I have not done extensive research in to them, I assume you have, based on your statements relating to them, time will tell I guess.
 

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I think the sheffield guy made it through paper or something, probably backhanded. But his own money that isn't from a horrible regime. That's fair, time will tell, investment of the back of murder and misery isn't for me! Hope your fans say how disgusting they are and admit they can't do anything about it. And I'm incredibly surprised and sad it's gone through! At least Sunderland are no longer your rivals, just Amnesty International.

"The Premier League has now received legally binding assurances that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will not control Newcastle United Football Club."


Whilst correct, this is off PIF's website. so not directly owned by the state, just using their sovereign wealth fund (state money), chaired by the Crown.


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You didn’t mention anything about it being ideal, you just made the statement they made money in porn.
I mentioned it wasn’t great, and agree it’s nothing in comparison to what you mentioned about the Saudi state. I don’t recall any grief to sheff United fans, you say their owner used his own money? Made how exactly? He is a prince from Saudi, surely this money would come from similar means?
The fans of Newcastle don’t have a say in who owns the club though, it was owned by Mike Ashley, and he chose to sell it to who he wanted to as he was the owner. the fans can’t decide, Newcastle couldn’t decide, it was Mike Ashley’s choice as owner. You’ve made you opinion quite clear, and as I’ve stated you’re more than welcome to it. I stated I liked what I heard from Stavely and Rueben, as that’s all I’ve heard from, they have invested locally already, this is good for the Newcastle area and ecconomy and I hope they continue to do so. It took her 4 years to get this deal so I’d say she is in for the long haul.
In relation to PIF, they have invested in lots of areas, with governments, social media, sports clubs, etc, whether people agree or not, they will continue to do so.
If what you say is right, I have not done extensive research in to them, I assume you have, based on your statements relating to them, time will tell I guess.
 

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I see what you did. Thanks.

I guess that I just lump every variation of football together, i.e.,
all sports that I definitely don't like as much as baseball as of right now after the trauma I've recently experienced..

Not really on subject, but I do have a question or two.
I've seen thug characters in UK movies wielding baseball bats.
Are baseball bats readily available in the UK?
Are they sold primarily as weapons?
Is it in order to not desecrate Cricket bats by using them for criminal activity? Would that offend the Indian population?
Should I bring a few bats across the next time that I visit? Wooden [professional} or aluminum [recreational]?

Elsewhere in Europe, for reasons I cannot fathom, the US has military bases. Baseball is actually played near them.
We have no bases in the UK, obviously. Hamburger joints, yes, but not military bases. Does anybody play baseball there?

And with these simple questions asked, I will no longer hijack the thread. Sorry.
 

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I see what you did. Thanks.

I guess that I just lump every variation of football together, i.e.,
all sports that I definitely don't like as much as baseball as of right now after the trauma I've recently experienced..

Not really on subject, but I do have a question or two.
I've seen thug characters in UK movies wielding baseball bats.
Are baseball bats readily available in the UK?
Are they sold primarily as weapons?
Is it in order to not desecrate Cricket bats by using them for criminal activity? Would that offend the Indian population?
Should I bring a few bats across the next time that I visit? Wooden [professional} or aluminum [recreational]?

Elsewhere in Europe, for reasons I cannot fathom, the US has military bases. Baseball is actually played near them.
We have no bases in the UK, obviously. Hamburger joints, yes, but not military bases. Does anybody play baseball there?

And with these simple questions asked, I will no longer hijack the thread. Sorry.
It's not even a variation of football .. it's handball
 

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I see what you did. Thanks.

I guess that I just lump every variation of football together, i.e.,
all sports that I definitely don't like as much as baseball as of right now after the trauma I've recently experienced..

Not really on subject, but I do have a question or two.
I've seen thug characters in UK movies wielding baseball bats.
Are baseball bats readily available in the UK?
Are they sold primarily as weapons?
Is it in order to not desecrate Cricket bats by using them for criminal activity? Would that offend the Indian population?
Should I bring a few bats across the next time that I visit? Wooden [professional} or aluminum [recreational]?

Elsewhere in Europe, for reasons I cannot fathom, the US has military bases. Baseball is actually played near them.
We have no bases in the UK, obviously. Hamburger joints, yes, but not military bases. Does anybody play baseball there?

And with these simple questions asked, I will no longer hijack the thread. Sorry.
To answer two questions, yes, baseball bats are mainly seen as a weapon in this country by criminals.

Baseball did have a "boom" in England/UK maybe in or around the 1930's, but didnt take hold as much after that. Derby County football club (a fairly famous club) had a ground that was called the baseball ground, but they left it about 20 years ago.

Rounders is better to watch.
 

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Only one thing stopping them becoming a force and that's the location.
I mean imagine Neymar strolling down the street at 2am after a night out and being accosted by a 20 stone Lycra clad beast with her bits out munching on a kebab the size of a Viking long boat, while one of her mates is taking a dump in a flower bed in a nearby garden. Just seems highly unlikely😁
They didn't struggle to attract players during the Keegan years, they won't now. Do you think top players dream of strolling around Manchester? Players will follow the money, simple as.

I went past St James last night on the way to the theatre, not highbrow it was an evening with Rob Brydon. Very good it was too 😄. Anyway, you would have thought they'd won the league. There were thousands outside the ground, singing as though a game was on and they were 4-0 up. We lowered the windows because we couldn't quite believe they volume of the singing, it was nuts. The pubs did well though, when we came out of the theatre there were a lot of drunks in Toon shirts wobbling around 🍻😁. Needless to say, the news has gone down well.
 

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They didn't struggle to attract players during the Keegan years, they won't now. Do you think top players dream of strolling around Manchester? Players will follow the money, simple as.

I went past St James last night on the way to the theatre, not highbrow it was an evening with Rob Brydon. Very good it was too 😄. Anyway, you would have thought they'd won the league. There were thousands outside the ground, singing as though a game was on and they were 4-0 up. We lowered the windows because we couldn't quite believe they volume of the singing, it was nuts. The pubs did well though, when we came out of the theatre there were a lot of drunks in Toon shirts wobbling around 🍻😁. Needless to say, the news has gone down well.

My post was rather tongue in cheek LT, I don't begrudge the Barcodes a bit of success......


Meanwhile at Darsley Park, the new owners of Newcastle United wasted no time in implementing their traditional training regime.

 

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My post was rather tongue in cheek LT, I don't begrudge the Barcodes a bit of success......
I thought it was but it is a line that is rolled out occasionally in all seriousness so I went for it anyway :D. It is a genuine issue but it is usually solved by paying more. The reality is that the overseas players largely want to go to London. To get them to go to Manchester, Merseyside, Birmingham, Yorkshire etc all needs an extra incentive and clubs just have to factor that in. Anyway, the Toon fans are thinking more Mbappe than Neymar :oops::ROFLMAO:
 

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Man Utd have received millions over the last 10yrs from their partnership with Saudi Telecom who are state owned, never seen the outrage over that either?
I mentioned to Kaz that the Chinese were as bad as the Saudis when it comes to human rights. It was very much said tongue in cheek. Even though City owners are predominantly UAE the club sold 9% of its shares to the Chinese. My point is that most clubs have more than one owner. Owners who are not angels.
 
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I thought it was but it is a line that is rolled out occasionally in all seriousness so I went for it anyway :D. It is a genuine issue but it is usually solved by paying more. The reality is that the overseas players largely want to go to London. To get them to go to Manchester, Merseyside, Birmingham, Yorkshire etc all needs an extra incentive and clubs just have to factor that in. Anyway, the Toon fans are thinking more Mbappe than Neymar :oops::ROFLMAO:
They should be thinking more about players a bit past their prime who want a last payday. Lingard, Kane etc. Gotta love the Toon army, there was some bloke on TS yesterday saying they should get Kevin Keegan back! 😂😂😂

This doesn’t look good though….

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....remier-league-newcastle-takeover-25161856.amp

I mean Gold and Sullivan are sleezy, good for nothing, porn peddlers but I don’t think Amnesty were warning the Prem about them!
 
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