The Footie Thread

[Bdill93]

I actually like Grealish and he could offer us creativity that we currently lack. It is funny though how on occasions players, in all sports, can improve massively without ever playing. Being injured, being on the bench whilst your colleagues struggle can turn you into a world beater. He is definitely in that category right now.

Grealish actually is that good though.

So is Sancho

Both not getting substantial enough minutes to make any sort of difference. Sancho especially

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Grealish actually is that good though.

So is Sancho

Both not getting substantial enough minutes to make any sort of difference. Sancho especially

I do wonder if (no matter what rubbish Southgate puts out about not favouring the big teams) that if Sancho had completed his transfer last summer to United then he would be starting

 

[Bdill93]

I do wonder if (no matter what rubbish Southgate puts out about not favouring the big teams) that if Sancho had completed his transfer last summer to United then he would be starting

Maybe... I think he'd still be like JG and stuck behind the favourites

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Maybe... I think he'd still be like JG and stuck behind the favourites

If grealish had gone to spurs a few years ago I think he would be much more established in the England team.. they were a regular top 4 side ..

Favourites or not they always favour the big boys unless they have no other option

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I actually like Grealish and he could offer us creativity that we currently lack. It is funny though how on occasions players, in all sports, can improve massively without ever playing. Being injured, being on the bench whilst your colleagues struggle can turn you into a world beater. He is definitely in that category right now.

I think some players impact isn’t seeing until they aren’t playing - we have seen it when Henderson was injured last season , he was never seen as a key player for us until he wasn’t there and then it was evident for all what was missing , it’s probably a bigger miss for Villa when Grealish wasn’t there because so much goes through him

England are missing what Grealish can do - his type of ball carrying has not been seen since Gazza , there was a lot of talk about Foden being the new Gazza etc but Grealish is closer to him imo , when you then add in the deep lying creativity from Mount plus the pace and direct running from Sancho then Kane should be desperate for those players to get into the team

It’s then up to the manager to get the best out of them

England’s front 6 ideally should be

Henderson sitting
Mount and Grealish in front ( with Bellingham there if they want a bit more legs and engine )

Foden , Kane and Sancho as a front three

If playing against a stronger midfield then add in Rice to protect and Henderson or Bellingham to move into a more 8 role ( what Gini does for Liverpool )

It must be so frustrating for Kane to see all these excellent young attackers who should create chances for him being stifled

 

[Bdill93]

I think some players impact isn’t seeing until they aren’t playing - we have seen it when Henderson was injured last season , he was never seen as a key player for us until he wasn’t there and then it was evident for all what was missing , it’s probably a bigger miss for Villa when Grealish wasn’t there because so much goes through him

England are missing what Grealish can do - his type of ball carrying has not been seen since Gazza , there was a lot of talk about Foden being the new Gazza etc but Grealish is closer to him imo , when you then add in the deep lying creativity from Mount plus the pace and direct running from Sancho then Kane should be desperate for those players to get into the team

It’s then up to the manager to get the best out of them

England’s front 6 ideally should be

Henderson sitting
Mount and Grealish in front ( with Bellingham there if they want a bit more legs and engine )

Foden , Kane and Sancho as a front three

If playing against a stronger midfield then add in Rice to protect and Henderson or Bellingham to move into a more 8 role ( what Gini does for Liverpool )

It must be so frustrating for Kane to see all these excellent young attackers who should create chances for him being stifled

You're bang on here about Jack.

Foden does not/ I'm yet to see him carry a whole team on his back, drag them up the field and get them playing football. Only one Englishman can do that and hes busy warming a bench seat. The whole nation knows it, why cant Gareth just swallow his pride and do what is best for England.

If hes not starting tonight - I'm firmly Gareth out, its an absolute joke. Our starting line ups are frankly pathetic.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

You're bang on here about Jack.

Foden does not/ I'm yet to see him carry a whole team on his back, drag them up the field and get them playing football. Only one Englishman can do that and hes busy warming a bench seat. The whole nation knows it, why cant Gareth just swallow his pride and do what is best for England.

If hes not starting tonight - I'm firmly Gareth out, its an absolute joke. Our starting line ups are frankly pathetic.

Foden doesn't need to be that player at City.

Grealish has to be that player at Villa. But England don't (or shouldn't) need a player that runs forward with the sole purpose of failing over to slow the game down enough for the rest of the team to join in.

I've heard no end of people say England need to play faster. Then say Grealish should be playing. ?‍

If we want faster, we need to ditch Rice and Sterling, then play Bellingham and Sancho. With Walker back on the Right pushing Foden forward.
Also Trippier back in for Shaw.

 

[Bdill93]

Foden doesn't need to be that player at City.

Grealish has to be that player at Villa. But England don't (or shouldn't) need a player that runs forward with the sole purpose of failing over to slow the game down enough for the rest of the team to join in.

I've heard no end of people say England need to play faster. Then say Grealish should be playing. ?‍

If we want faster, we need to ditch Rice and Sterling, then play Bellingham and Sancho. With Walker back on the Right pushing Foden forward.
Also Trippier back in for Shaw.

If you think that all Grealish adds is fouls, you've not seen enough of him.

Ditch Phillips for Bellingham maybe - Rice is better defensively as cover for the CB's. We dont need two guys doing that role.

Talk sport have made a similar point about Foden, no he doesnt need to be like Grealish at city - he has pure class surrounding him everywhere that play tiki taka football. England dont - so what is he actually bringing to us? Hes done nothing for 2 games.

Grealish drags the whole team forward from defence to attack, by himself. No one else in the whole squad can do what he does. There are plenty of talented players around the pitch, all sat happy in their lines being safe - we wont win the euros playing safe.

Winning the odd free kick here and there is hardly a bad thing either, if we could beat the first man on a dead ball it would really be something too!

 

[GB72]

OK my confusion continues, Mount and Chilwell must isolate until Monday, I get that but am still a bit confused as to the bigger picture. Both of those players would have been in contact with other players in the England bubble since so how come they continue as normal. Same with the Scotland bubble, how come they just test and get on with it.

Again, not having a dig at any team or player but more just trying to understand how the system works as logic would seem to suggest that both squads should isolate (or at least stay within their bubbles) for 10 days but I guess that would make proceeding wiht the tournament almost untenable.

 

[Bdill93]

OK my confusion continues, Mount and Chilwell must isolate until Monday, I get that but am still a bit confused as to the bigger picture. Both of those players would have been in contact with other players in the England bubble since so how come they continue as normal. Same with the Scotland bubble, how come they just test and get on with it.

Again, not having a dig at any team or player but more just trying to understand how the system works as logic would seem to suggest that both squads should isolate (or at least stay within their bubbles) for 10 days but I guess that would make proceeding wiht the tournament almost untenable.

You are only a "Primary contact" if you have contact with the positive case yourself - therefore have to isolate.

The rest of the bubble are categorised as "Secondary contacts" - they only isolate if their primary contact tests positive

 

[GB72]

You are only a "Primary contact" if you have contact with the positive case yourself - therefore have to isolate.

The rest of the bubble are categorised as "Secondary contacts" - they only isolate if their primary contact tests positive

OK, that all makes more sense. On the assumption that there were celebrations in the changing rooms afterwards, how does that then allow the Scotland squad to not isolate bearing in mind that they would have been been in contact with a positive case. Surely that would trigget the same isolation requirement for most, if not all, of the match day squad.

 

[Orikoru]

OK my confusion continues, Mount and Chilwell must isolate until Monday, I get that but am still a bit confused as to the bigger picture. Both of those players would have been in contact with other players in the England bubble since so how come they continue as normal. Same with the Scotland bubble, how come they just test and get on with it.

Again, not having a dig at any team or player but more just trying to understand how the system works as logic would seem to suggest that both squads should isolate (or at least stay within their bubbles) for 10 days but I guess that would make proceeding wiht the tournament almost untenable.

Let's face it - all the 'Covid regulations' are simply to appease health officials and allow the tournament to go ahead. They are not necessarily logical or actually designed for player safety and to prevent transmissions. If they were really worried about transmissions the tournament probably wouldn't be on. They've had to come up with certain rules to tick enough boxes for it to happen. So Mount & Chilwell were visibly seen hugging Gilmour on TV, so they have to be seen enacting a regulation. What the players do in their own camps is behind closed doors though so no action required. Maybe they asked Mount and Chilwell if they had any 'close contact' with anybody else, but they would have been encouraged by the England camp to say no so that nobody else has to miss a game.

I'm not sure I've worded what I mean clearly, but in essence I feel it's for show above all else.

 

[GB72]

Let's face it - all the 'Covid regulations' are simply to appease health officials and allow the tournament to go ahead. They are not necessarily logical or actually designed for player safety and to prevent transmissions. If they were really worried about transmissions the tournament probably wouldn't be on. They've had to come up with certain rules to tick enough boxes for it to happen. So Mount & Chilwell were visibly seen hugging Gilmour on TV, so they have to be seen enacting a regulation. What the players do in their own camps is behind closed doors though so no action required. Maybe they asked Mount and Chilwell if they had any 'close contact' with anybody else, but they would have been encouraged by the England camp to say no so that nobody else has to miss a game.

I'm not sure I've worded what I mean clearly, but in essence I feel it's for show above all else.

This is sort of what I was feeling. The logical step in any instance would be to isolate the team but doing that even once would wreck the timetable for the entire tournament. As such, the rules needed to be drafted in such a way that the occasional player may be lost to isolation but never a whole team or squad.

 

[Orikoru]

This is sort of what I was feeling. The logical step in any instance would be to isolate the team but doing that even once would wreck the timetable for the entire tournament. As such, the rules needed to be drafted in such a way that the occasional player may be lost to isolation but never a whole team or squad.

Exactly that. The schedule must be adhered to. And as you say, with Gilmour he must have had contact with at least one other Scotland player, but he'll have been encouraged to say he hasn't, or else they could lose 5, 10 players and then be asking for a delay to their next match.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Exactly that. The schedule must be adhered to. And as you say, with Gilmour he must have had contact with at least one other Scotland player, but he'll have been encouraged to say he hasn't, or else they could lose 5, 10 players and then be asking for a delay to their next match.

Scotland will be isolating from the rest of the tournament after tonight anyway.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Indeed.. Henderson has become Patrick Vieira all of a sudden

Still counting up to nil?

 

[Liverbirdie]

Foden doesn't need to be that player at City.

Grealish has to be that player at Villa. But England don't (or shouldn't) need a player that runs forward with the sole purpose of failing over to slow the game down enough for the rest of the team to join in.

I've heard no end of people say England need to play faster. Then say Grealish should be playing. ?‍

If we want faster, we need to ditch Rice and Sterling, then play Bellingham and Sancho. With Walker back on the Right pushing Foden forward.
Also Trippier back in for Shaw.

Bang on, I would have Foden over Grealish all day long.

He quickens the play, is dynamic and stays on his feet more, Grealish slows the tempo of a game down with constantly being on the deck.

 

[larmen]

Let's face it - all the 'Covid regulations' are simply to appease health officials and allow the tournament to go ahead. They are not necessarily logical or actually designed for player safety and to prevent transmissions. If they were really worried about transmissions the tournament probably wouldn't be on. They've had to come up with certain rules to tick enough boxes for it to happen. So Mount & Chilwell were visibly seen hugging Gilmour on TV, so they have to be seen enacting a regulation. What the players do in their own camps is behind closed doors though so no action required. Maybe they asked Mount and Chilwell if they had any 'close contact' with anybody else, but they would have been encouraged by the England camp to say no so that nobody else has to miss a game.

I'm not sure I've worded what I mean clearly, but in essence I feel it's for show above all else.

I think we can separate the instances into necessary and unnecessary contacts, and they focus on punishing/isolating unnecessary ones.

Same in society, schools are necessary and we take them into account. Raves are not. And most recently they have moved weddings to necessary. A few hundred at the odd wedding don’t change much anymore, but everyone having any kind of party or gathering opens it up to much.

Playing defence, marking your man in the box, even celebrating a goal with team mates are ‘necessary’, but hugging an opponent after the game is just too much.

Doesn’t make sense in total, but it’s a token gesture someone wants/needs to see.

 

[GB72]

Exactly that. The schedule must be adhered to. And as you say, with Gilmour he must have had contact with at least one other Scotland player, but he'll have been encouraged to say he hasn't, or else they could lose 5, 10 players and then be asking for a delay to their next match.

It does seem slightly mad that there has not been any down time between the rounds as contingency days for covid delays. Not sure that the rules are for a group stage match that does not proceed due to covid.

 

[Bdill93]

OK, that all makes more sense. On the assumption that there were celebrations in the changing rooms afterwards, how does that then allow the Scotland squad to not isolate bearing in mind that they would have been been in contact with a positive case. Surely that would trigget the same isolation requirement for most, if not all, of the match day squad.

You're bang on - and I've no clue how they've avoided it