4LEX
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Fingers crossed mate! I remain unconvinced with Hunt but will happily be proved wrong if he can get more wins on the board.
Fingers crossed mate! I remain unconvinced with Hunt but will happily be proved wrong if he can get more wins on the board.
Aztecs27
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Still 15 mins to go but the decision to sack off Ange seems like the greatest decision of all time, currently,
nickjdavis
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Decent enough performance from Forest where the result was key and the clean sheet a nice to have....but boy oh boy, Porto were bloody awful.
irip
Head Pro
Was it Ange team that won though?
I know it would have been if they had lost.
Great result.
Tashyboy
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One of the Facebook pages I follow is Manchester of old. This was posted today.
John Henry Davies (no relation) was born in Staffordshire around 1864.
He was one of nine children and his dad was an engineer. The family moved to Manchester and John grew up in Chorlton-on-Medlock. He had various jobs, such as an estate agent and pub landlord.
He then worked at the John Henry Lees brewery in Moss Side, where he worked his way up to being a director. Within a decade, he became chairman of two other breweries and grew rich. He also married into money - his wife was one of the Tate family of the Tate & Lyle sugar company.
John and his wife became known for their support of good causes in the Manchester area. Early in 1902, one of these local good causes was holding a bazaar at St James's Hall on Oxford Street. It was a 4-day fund-raising event for Newton Heath Football Club, which was at that time playing in Clayton. The club were struggling near the bottom of the Second Division (and there were only two divisions at the time). They were deep in debt and the court had issued a winding-up order. Despite a donation from Manchester City, Newton Heath still faced closure. The bazaar was a last-ditch attempt to raise some money to save it.
The story goes that the Newton Heath team captain, Harry Stafford, took his St Bernard dog (called Major) to the bazaar in the hope it would attract donations by wearing a collection box. At one point, the dog wandered off, and by chance, it was John Davies who happened to find the dog. Another version of the story has John finding the dog at the Oxford Arms pub across the road. Whichever way it was, John’s daughter was smitten by the dog and John asked Harry Stafford if he would sell him the dog. Instead, the two men ended up striking a deal whereby John agreed to join Harry and three other businessmen in taking over Newton Heath football club. This arrangement saved the club from closure (and by way of thanks, Stafford gave the dog to John's daughter).
John was made Newton Heath club president. One of the first things he did was hold a meeting to change the team’s name, and it became "Manchester United". He also changed the team colours from navy blue and white, to red and white (in modern times, Newton Heath are mostly associated with green and yellow, which they wore for 7 out of 24 seasons, whereas they wore navy blue and white for 9 seasons, including when John Davies took over).
With an injection of money, new players and a brilliant new manager (Ernest Mangnall), the club’s fortunes were soon turned around. They won promotion in 1906, won the League in 1908 and then won the FA Cup in 1909.
In 1910, John made the bold decision to move the club. He paid out £60,000 (a huge sum in those days) to buy land and build a new stadium at Old Trafford. United lost their first home game at Old Trafford, 4-3 to Liverpool. But they won the League again in 1911.
After Ernest Mangnall left United to join City in 1912, United’s fortunes took a dip, which wasn’t helped by the interruption of the 1st World War and later the illness of John Davies.
John died on 24th October, 1927. He is buried in Southern Cemetery. He can be considered as one of United’s great founding fathers. Without him, there would’ve been no famous red and white, no Old Trafford stadium and, indeed, no Manchester United.
And of course, some credit should also go to Major, the St. Bernard dog, who came to the rescue of Newton Heath football club by wandering off and making friends with a rich man and his daughter.
John Henry Davies (no relation) was born in Staffordshire around 1864.
He was one of nine children and his dad was an engineer. The family moved to Manchester and John grew up in Chorlton-on-Medlock. He had various jobs, such as an estate agent and pub landlord.
He then worked at the John Henry Lees brewery in Moss Side, where he worked his way up to being a director. Within a decade, he became chairman of two other breweries and grew rich. He also married into money - his wife was one of the Tate family of the Tate & Lyle sugar company.
John and his wife became known for their support of good causes in the Manchester area. Early in 1902, one of these local good causes was holding a bazaar at St James's Hall on Oxford Street. It was a 4-day fund-raising event for Newton Heath Football Club, which was at that time playing in Clayton. The club were struggling near the bottom of the Second Division (and there were only two divisions at the time). They were deep in debt and the court had issued a winding-up order. Despite a donation from Manchester City, Newton Heath still faced closure. The bazaar was a last-ditch attempt to raise some money to save it.
The story goes that the Newton Heath team captain, Harry Stafford, took his St Bernard dog (called Major) to the bazaar in the hope it would attract donations by wearing a collection box. At one point, the dog wandered off, and by chance, it was John Davies who happened to find the dog. Another version of the story has John finding the dog at the Oxford Arms pub across the road. Whichever way it was, John’s daughter was smitten by the dog and John asked Harry Stafford if he would sell him the dog. Instead, the two men ended up striking a deal whereby John agreed to join Harry and three other businessmen in taking over Newton Heath football club. This arrangement saved the club from closure (and by way of thanks, Stafford gave the dog to John's daughter).
John was made Newton Heath club president. One of the first things he did was hold a meeting to change the team’s name, and it became "Manchester United". He also changed the team colours from navy blue and white, to red and white (in modern times, Newton Heath are mostly associated with green and yellow, which they wore for 7 out of 24 seasons, whereas they wore navy blue and white for 9 seasons, including when John Davies took over).
With an injection of money, new players and a brilliant new manager (Ernest Mangnall), the club’s fortunes were soon turned around. They won promotion in 1906, won the League in 1908 and then won the FA Cup in 1909.
In 1910, John made the bold decision to move the club. He paid out £60,000 (a huge sum in those days) to buy land and build a new stadium at Old Trafford. United lost their first home game at Old Trafford, 4-3 to Liverpool. But they won the League again in 1911.
After Ernest Mangnall left United to join City in 1912, United’s fortunes took a dip, which wasn’t helped by the interruption of the 1st World War and later the illness of John Davies.
John died on 24th October, 1927. He is buried in Southern Cemetery. He can be considered as one of United’s great founding fathers. Without him, there would’ve been no famous red and white, no Old Trafford stadium and, indeed, no Manchester United.
And of course, some credit should also go to Major, the St. Bernard dog, who came to the rescue of Newton Heath football club by wandering off and making friends with a rich man and his daughter.
Aztecs27
Money List Winner
Absolutely not - Dyche actually played our best players and didn't play people out of position. You could actually see what they were trying to achieve and there was structure to the passages of play.Was it Ange team that won though?
I know it would have been if they had lost.
Great result.
Didn't have Milenkovic defending on halfway either
One of the most proficient teams in Europe, currently, and they barely got a sniff. Testament to taking it back to basics, which is what was needed.
The most telling thing for me was that a number of players who looked absolutely non-league under Ange, played exceptionally well last night; Dan Ndoye, Nico Savona, Igor Jesus...
(Side note: I hope Zinchenko's injury is bad enough to keep him sidelined until January and we send him back to Arsenal because he is absolutely awful)
It'll all come crashing down on Sunday - as we've not beaten Bournemouth in over 10 years
Tashyboy
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Thing is about Zinchenko. City fans loved him but he was bang average
I've criticsed the Dyche appointment as I don't think it will end well. However, he knows how to solidify a team, he knows how to set one up. My criticism is that seems unable to take that next step and make a team more progressive. He is stuck in the one mode.Absolutely not - Dyche actually played our best players and didn't play people out of position. You could actually see what they were trying to achieve and there was structure to the passages of play.
Didn't have Milenkovic defending on halfway either
One of the most proficient teams in Europe, currently, and they barely got a sniff. Testament to taking it back to basics, which is what was needed.
The most telling thing for me was that a number of players who looked absolutely non-league under Ange, played exceptionally well last night; Dan Ndoye, Nico Savona, Igor Jesus...
(Side note: I hope Zinchenko's injury is bad enough to keep him sidelined until January and we send him back to Arsenal because he is absolutely awful)
It'll all come crashing down on Sunday - as we've not beaten Bournemouth in over 10 years
He will do a job for you this season, I'm not sure he is the man for you after that (I think his contract is until 2027 so you only have him for 2yrs max)
I do find it interesting how when a team is struggling a new manager comes in of a type, Allardyce, Dyche, even Moyes being the obvious examples, gets back to basics and steadies the ship. They don't do sophisticated stuff, it is just very sensible, solid play. Why do the previous, sacked, managers, not try that approach when things go south? Even if only for a short spell. There seems a stubborness that is self destructive.
Arthur Wedge
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It will be interesting for Dyche
It’s the first time he has prob had a squad this good , he is prob also at a club that can provide him money to spend as well
He is a Nottingham man , brought in a load of old boys for backroom staff
He will make the team solid - the same as Nuno , but once that’s done can he make the next step up
It’s the first time he has prob had a squad this good , he is prob also at a club that can provide him money to spend as well
He is a Nottingham man , brought in a load of old boys for backroom staff
He will make the team solid - the same as Nuno , but once that’s done can he make the next step up
Red devil
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And world domination began.One of the Facebook pages I follow is Manchester of old. This was posted today.
John Henry Davies (no relation) was born in Staffordshire around 1864.
He was one of nine children and his dad was an engineer. The family moved to Manchester and John grew up in Chorlton-on-Medlock. He had various jobs, such as an estate agent and pub landlord.
He then worked at the John Henry Lees brewery in Moss Side, where he worked his way up to being a director. Within a decade, he became chairman of two other breweries and grew rich. He also married into money - his wife was one of the Tate family of the Tate & Lyle sugar company.
John and his wife became known for their support of good causes in the Manchester area. Early in 1902, one of these local good causes was holding a bazaar at St James's Hall on Oxford Street. It was a 4-day fund-raising event for Newton Heath Football Club, which was at that time playing in Clayton. The club were struggling near the bottom of the Second Division (and there were only two divisions at the time). They were deep in debt and the court had issued a winding-up order. Despite a donation from Manchester City, Newton Heath still faced closure. The bazaar was a last-ditch attempt to raise some money to save it.
The story goes that the Newton Heath team captain, Harry Stafford, took his St Bernard dog (called Major) to the bazaar in the hope it would attract donations by wearing a collection box. At one point, the dog wandered off, and by chance, it was John Davies who happened to find the dog. Another version of the story has John finding the dog at the Oxford Arms pub across the road. Whichever way it was, John’s daughter was smitten by the dog and John asked Harry Stafford if he would sell him the dog. Instead, the two men ended up striking a deal whereby John agreed to join Harry and three other businessmen in taking over Newton Heath football club. This arrangement saved the club from closure (and by way of thanks, Stafford gave the dog to John's daughter).
John was made Newton Heath club president. One of the first things he did was hold a meeting to change the team’s name, and it became "Manchester United". He also changed the team colours from navy blue and white, to red and white (in modern times, Newton Heath are mostly associated with green and yellow, which they wore for 7 out of 24 seasons, whereas they wore navy blue and white for 9 seasons, including when John Davies took over).
With an injection of money, new players and a brilliant new manager (Ernest Mangnall), the club’s fortunes were soon turned around. They won promotion in 1906, won the League in 1908 and then won the FA Cup in 1909.
In 1910, John made the bold decision to move the club. He paid out £60,000 (a huge sum in those days) to buy land and build a new stadium at Old Trafford. United lost their first home game at Old Trafford, 4-3 to Liverpool. But they won the League again in 1911.
After Ernest Mangnall left United to join City in 1912, United’s fortunes took a dip, which wasn’t helped by the interruption of the 1st World War and later the illness of John Davies.
John died on 24th October, 1927. He is buried in Southern Cemetery. He can be considered as one of United’s great founding fathers. Without him, there would’ve been no famous red and white, no Old Trafford stadium and, indeed, no Manchester United.
And of course, some credit should also go to Major, the St. Bernard dog, who came to the rescue of Newton Heath football club by wandering off and making friends with a rich man and his daughter.
irip
Head Pro
The important thing is he seems to have the fans onside.Absolutely not - Dyche actually played our best players and didn't play people out of position. You could actually see what they were trying to achieve and there was structure to the passages of play.
Didn't have Milenkovic defending on halfway either
One of the most proficient teams in Europe, currently, and they barely got a sniff. Testament to taking it back to basics, which is what was needed.
The most telling thing for me was that a number of players who looked absolutely non-league under Ange, played exceptionally well last night; Dan Ndoye, Nico Savona, Igor Jesus...
(Side note: I hope Zinchenko's injury is bad enough to keep him sidelined until January and we send him back to Arsenal because he is absolutely awful)
It'll all come crashing down on Sunday - as we've not beaten Bournemouth in over 10 years
I don’t think it will be the most exciting football but he will get the results needed and let’s be honest the football Nuno played was about being strong defensively and quick on the counter.
Enjoy the ride it won’t be as exciting as Ange but you might get a few 1-0 wins as opposed to 4-3 losses
Arthur Wedge
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Neilds
Assistant Pro
Sheffield Wednesday have filed a notice to enter administration, now facing a large points deduction. Not a fan of the Owls and think a lot of their fans are still living under the illusion that they are a Premier League club but never good to see a club going through what they are.
Red devil
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Seriously though, they were Newton Heath L&Y railway club. Made up of railwaymen from the large depot there.One of the Facebook pages I follow is Manchester of old. This was posted today.
John Henry Davies (no relation) was born in Staffordshire around 1864.
He was one of nine children and his dad was an engineer. The family moved to Manchester and John grew up in Chorlton-on-Medlock. He had various jobs, such as an estate agent and pub landlord.
He then worked at the John Henry Lees brewery in Moss Side, where he worked his way up to being a director. Within a decade, he became chairman of two other breweries and grew rich. He also married into money - his wife was one of the Tate family of the Tate & Lyle sugar company.
John and his wife became known for their support of good causes in the Manchester area. Early in 1902, one of these local good causes was holding a bazaar at St James's Hall on Oxford Street. It was a 4-day fund-raising event for Newton Heath Football Club, which was at that time playing in Clayton. The club were struggling near the bottom of the Second Division (and there were only two divisions at the time). They were deep in debt and the court had issued a winding-up order. Despite a donation from Manchester City, Newton Heath still faced closure. The bazaar was a last-ditch attempt to raise some money to save it.
The story goes that the Newton Heath team captain, Harry Stafford, took his St Bernard dog (called Major) to the bazaar in the hope it would attract donations by wearing a collection box. At one point, the dog wandered off, and by chance, it was John Davies who happened to find the dog. Another version of the story has John finding the dog at the Oxford Arms pub across the road. Whichever way it was, John’s daughter was smitten by the dog and John asked Harry Stafford if he would sell him the dog. Instead, the two men ended up striking a deal whereby John agreed to join Harry and three other businessmen in taking over Newton Heath football club. This arrangement saved the club from closure (and by way of thanks, Stafford gave the dog to John's daughter).
John was made Newton Heath club president. One of the first things he did was hold a meeting to change the team’s name, and it became "Manchester United". He also changed the team colours from navy blue and white, to red and white (in modern times, Newton Heath are mostly associated with green and yellow, which they wore for 7 out of 24 seasons, whereas they wore navy blue and white for 9 seasons, including when John Davies took over).
With an injection of money, new players and a brilliant new manager (Ernest Mangnall), the club’s fortunes were soon turned around. They won promotion in 1906, won the League in 1908 and then won the FA Cup in 1909.
In 1910, John made the bold decision to move the club. He paid out £60,000 (a huge sum in those days) to buy land and build a new stadium at Old Trafford. United lost their first home game at Old Trafford, 4-3 to Liverpool. But they won the League again in 1911.
After Ernest Mangnall left United to join City in 1912, United’s fortunes took a dip, which wasn’t helped by the interruption of the 1st World War and later the illness of John Davies.
John died on 24th October, 1927. He is buried in Southern Cemetery. He can be considered as one of United’s great founding fathers. Without him, there would’ve been no famous red and white, no Old Trafford stadium and, indeed, no Manchester United.
And of course, some credit should also go to Major, the St. Bernard dog, who came to the rescue of Newton Heath football club by wandering off and making friends with a rich man and his daughter.
I'm often on the depot and think the behemoth that Utd are now is unrecognisable from its humble beginnings
Lucifer MorningStar
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I don’t agree. Zinchenko is a very player , weirdly played out of position by Pep and Arteta as a left back or left sided player.
Plays in a 8 or 10 for Ukraine and you can see even when he inverted at Arsenal he’s a very efficient and technically good midfielder that’s comfortable
On the ball and played a good forward pass. He can’t defend but that’s a different issue.
Aztecs27
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Could argue that Ange (and Amorim) are stuck in one mode - which is why they've had their struggles....Does beg the question why they don't change things up to try and get some results.
But I do agree that he's been a bit unglamorous in other appointments...but we played some really attractive football at times last night. We were playing it out from the back and Zinchenko (until he went off) was inverting! Not very Sean Dyche of old. I know it's only one game, but promising signs already.
I think I said already (can't be arsed to check
), but he's spent 12 months on podcasts claiming he'd do well with money.....so now is the time to prove whether he was just chatting a load ofd nonsense or not and see if he can take that "next step". This is it. I'd rather play some terrorist football and grind out results than lose 4-3 (or 0-3 which was most weeks over the last month) under Ange.
As I said, I'm expecting absolutely nothing from Sunday as we could be prime Barca and still not beat Bournemouth.
irip
Head Pro
I think if nothing else you will be competitive in every game with Dyche.Could argue that Ange (and Amorim) are stuck in one mode - which is why they've had their struggles....Does beg the question why they don't change things up to try and get some results.
But I do agree that he's been a bit unglamorous in other appointments...but we played some really attractive football at times last night. We were playing it out from the back and Zinchenko (until he went off) was inverting! Not very Sean Dyche of old. I know it's only one game, but promising signs already.
I think I said already (can't be arsed to check
This is it. I'd rather play some terrorist football and grind out results than lose 4-3 (or 0-3 which was most weeks over the last month) under Ange.
As I said, I'm expecting absolutely nothing from Sunday as we could be prime Barca and still not beat Bournemouth.
You will probably win or lose every game 1-0 but you will win your fair share.
I would expect him to finish mid table with you guys this season.
If that will be enough to keep everyone happy remains to be seen
Tashyboy
Please don’t ask to see my tatts 👍
One of the reasons he is adored by City fans, when he came on against Villa in the last game of the season, he came on as left back and had a stormer of a game. However far to often he was a 5 or 6/10 player. He was never going to be a player who pushed for the middle of the park with the depth of quality we had. I found it very strange when he and Gabriel Jesus went to Arsenal. They struggled for regular games at City and were never going to be regulars at arsenal.
Going off on tangents, my son was offered a Match worn Zinchenko shirt when he went to Arsenal. Anyway he bought it and passed it onto Bro in law who is an Arsenal fan. Arsenal were on fire that season. As soon as bro in law wore it Arsenal imploded and City went on to win the league
Bro in law said the shirt is cursed.
Pin-seeker
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love stories like this
Pin-seeker
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Different breed
