The Footie Thread

[Arthur Wedge]

Sorry, Phil, that’s nonsense.

Everyone knew what was going to happen when Amorim arrived. He even told the world himself. He was coming into a club at a time he would have preferred not to, and inheriting a squad totally ill equipped for what he wanted.

To argue the club are in a worse state now based largely on league position totally disregards the context.

The club have 38 points , that’s just 3 above the team in 17th - there is every chance the club could finish just outside the relegation zone

It was bad last season , but this is prob the worse season I can ever recall from Man Utd - I don’t think even during our bad days we ever got that low

Lost 14 times in the league alone

Many times they have been shocking

It’s going to be a very very hard sell during the summer to persuade players if they have other options on the table

Amorin may well be bright young manager but he may also be very one dimensional and have very little flex in his tactics

 

[Pin-seeker]

He will have better options. He won't have to choose between Burnley and Utd, it will be Utd V better teams.

Maybe so,but the point I was making was that Delap to UTD isn’t unrealistic.
It’s not like he’s M’bappe.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

United under Amorim might as well be trying to play Rugby Union with a League squad. I am really surprised that so many expect anything different. It’s been said times here, he wanted to come in the summer, and start with a clean slate and a squad built in his image

I get what you are saying but I still think it's reasonable to expect some improvement. He isn't going to be able to change the whole team this summer, he's going to have to work with the bulk of the squad next year as well. That can't be inspiring for fans.

 

[Tashyboy]

Sorry, Phil, that’s nonsense.

Everyone knew what was going to happen when Amorim arrived. He even told the world himself. He was coming into a club at a time he would have preferred not to, and inheriting a squad totally ill equipped for what he wanted.

To argue the club are in a worse state now based largely on league position totally disregards the context.

It’s common knowledge that I have certain folk on ignore. Unfortunately through email notifications you get to see a persons response sometimes. It confirms why I have certain folk on ignore.
As you say, Utd were in a mess when Amorim arrived and took over a squad that was not of his choice. He is trying to bail out a life boat with a bucket full of holes. So I am going to turn this on its head.

Jürgen Norbert Klopp underachieved at Liverpool.

In nine years at Liverpool he won 7 trophies, two of them were the carabao cup. So do they count or not depends on your narrative. The Premier league they won has an asterisk at the side of it.
He spent quote

In total, Klopp signed 37 players during his tenure for the Reds (Source: Transfermarkt), at an approximate cost of £850m. Topping that bill, was the £85m splashed on Darwin Nunez in 2022, with the lowest permanent transfer fee of £2m spent to acquire emergency centre-back Ben Davies from Preston in 2021.

So with his nine years at Liverpool he won less than a trophy a year.

And yet.

Arne Slot has turned up and in his first season has won the premier league with a squad that was not his, and having spent just £40 million quid. Mostly on players of the future, and has secured the services of the two most influential players in the squad.

My point is, we know Utd are rammel but stating the obvious without looking at your own ex managers failings is quite frankly rib tickling.

 

[Swango1980]

United under Amorim might as well be trying to play Rugby Union with a League squad. I am really surprised that so many expect anything different. It’s been said times here, he wanted to come in the summer, and start with a clean slate and a squad built in his image.

I guess a lot of people enjoy seeing Utd so bad, and somehow assume there will never be any improvement.

Utd have a manager with hugely limited attacking options, and many of those options are inexperienced and/or lack quality. He also doesn't have players suited to how he likes to play?

Why would a decent player want to go to Man Utd? Perhaps because they get to play in front of over 70,000 fans every home game. Play for a club with hundreds of millions of fans globally. Have the confidence in themselves that they can be part of a team that brings good football back to Man Utd. Feel the manager has faith in them.

Why did decent players go to Utd before they found success in PL in early 90's? Why do decent players go to any big club in their poor years?

I'm not saying every player will want to come to Utd, or whether I reckon Delap is the answer anyway, as another inexperienced player. But, it is not like every decent player in the world will go to a few clubs near top of the table. I mean, they could join a club ahead of Utd in league table, then next season that club could hit a bit of a decline itself.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It’s common knowledge that I have certain folk on ignore. Unfortunately through email notifications you get to see a persons response sometimes. It confirms why I have certain folk on ignore.
As you say, Utd were in a mess when Amorim arrived and took over a squad that was not of his choice. He is trying to bail out a life boat with a bucket full of holes. So I am going to turn this on its head.

Jürgen Norbert Klopp underachieved at Liverpool.

In nine years at Liverpool he won 7 trophies, two of them were the carabao cup. So do they count or not depends on your narrative. The Premier league they won has an asterisk at the side of it.
He spent quote

In total, Klopp signed 37 players during his tenure for the Reds (Source: Transfermarkt), at an approximate cost of £850m. Topping that bill, was the £85m splashed on Darwin Nunez in 2022, with the lowest permanent transfer fee of £2m spent to acquire emergency centre-back Ben Davies from Preston in 2021.

So with his nine years at Liverpool he won less than a trophy a year.

And yet.

Arne Slot has turned up and in his first season has won the premier league with a squad that was not his, and having spent just £40 million quid. Mostly on players of the future, and has secured the services of the two most influential players in the squad.

My point is, we know Utd are rammel but stating the obvious without looking at your own ex managers failings is quite frankly rib tickling.

Must admit that a massively impressive way to bring Liverpool and Klopp into it

Asterisk leagues

League cups not counting


Well done you

 

[Fade and Die]

Here’s a question…….should a club allow a season ticket be passed on to another family member? Or, should it go to the next person on the waiting list ? Ie, Old boy passes away, been going for 40 years, grand daughter (not on the waiting list) who goes every now and then , decides she wants to take the ticket on, but the club want to pass the ticket to the next person on the waiting list…..opinions please

Goes to the granddaughter 100%…The old boy went with his son for all them years now the son can take his daughter. That’s the sort of family generational support that should be the backbone of any club. If she loses interest then the dad might not want to go on his own and stop going, then the club will get two tickets back.

 

[Billysboots]

The club have 38 points , that’s just 3 above the team in 17th - there is every chance the club could finish just outside the relegation zone

It was bad last season , but this is prob the worse season I can ever recall from Man Utd - I don’t think even during our bad days we ever got that low

Lost 14 times in the league alone

Many times they have been shocking

It’s going to be a very very hard sell during the summer to persuade players if they have other options on the table

Amorin may well be bright young manager but he may also be very one dimensional and have very little flex in his tactics

I pretty much agree with everything you say, but that wasn’t the point you were making. You said they’d gone backward under Amorim.

To argue that is rather premature.

 

[Swango1980]

Goes to the granddaughter 100%…The old boy went with his son for all them years now the son can take his daughter. That’s the sort of family generational support that should be the backbone of any club. If she loses interest then the dad might not want to go on his own and stop going, then the club will get two tickets back.

But if the ticket goes to someone who had been on the waiting list, then that could be the seeds of a new fan committed long term to the club?

If season tickets can be passed down to family members, I'd have thought most would plan to always try and do that, thus making it almost impossible for anyone else to ever have a chance of getting one? Especially if they've committed a payment for the privilege of being on the list, which I was unaware of.

Question, if you are a season ticket holder, and you've a child who is growing up and you would like to get them a ticket, what is process? Do they go on normal list, or do they go on some sort of elevated list? Or does it depend if a nearby seat becomes available?

 

[clubchamp98]

I guess a lot of people enjoy seeing Utd so bad, and somehow assume there will never be any improvement.

Utd have a manager with hugely limited attacking options, and many of those options are inexperienced and/or lack quality. He also doesn't have players suited to how he likes to play?

Why would a decent player want to go to Man Utd? Perhaps because they get to play in front of over 70,000 fans every home game. Play for a club with hundreds of millions of fans globally. Have the confidence in themselves that they can be part of a team that brings good football back to Man Utd. Feel the manager has faith in them.

Why did decent players go to Utd before they found success in PL in early 90's? Why do decent players go to any big club in their poor years?

I'm not saying every player will want to come to Utd, or whether I reckon Delap is the answer anyway, as another inexperienced player. But, it is not like every decent player in the world will go to a few clubs near top of the table. I mean, they could join a club ahead of Utd in league table, then next season that club could hit a bit of a decline itself.

I think it’s because Utd are such a big club that some players shine some don’t.
It’s a honour to play for such a club!

The contracts are holding the ones that don’t at the club for the money.

If they all had Maguires mindset the club would be fine.
Utd will be back it’s just a matter of time imo.

Whether Amorim is the answer is debatable as a manager with only one rigid system seems strange to me.

 

[Billysboots]

I get what you are saying but I still think it's reasonable to expect some improvement. He isn't going to be able to change the whole team this summer, he's going to have to work with the bulk of the squad next year as well. That can't be inspiring for fans.

Again, said before but if Rashford, Antony, Sancho and one of Garnacho or Mainoo depart, along with others coming to the end of their contracts, I think there is scope for some significant change.

 

[Billysboots]

I guess a lot of people enjoy seeing Utd so bad, and somehow assume there will never be any improvement.

Utd have a manager with hugely limited attacking options, and many of those options are inexperienced and/or lack quality. He also doesn't have players suited to how he likes to play?

Why would a decent player want to go to Man Utd? Perhaps because they get to play in front of over 70,000 fans every home game. Play for a club with hundreds of millions of fans globally. Have the confidence in themselves that they can be part of a team that brings good football back to Man Utd. Feel the manager has faith in them.

Why did decent players go to Utd before they found success in PL in early 90's? Why do decent players go to any big club in their poor years?

I'm not saying every player will want to come to Utd, or whether I reckon Delap is the answer anyway, as another inexperienced player. But, it is not like every decent player in the world will go to a few clubs near top of the table. I mean, they could join a club ahead of Utd in league table, then next season that club could hit a bit of a decline itself.

And your point regarding strikers is why it’s so ridiculous when people criticise Amorim for putting Maguire up top. It wasn’t Amorim who was responsible for the absolute joke of a decision which left United with only one recognised central striker. A young and inexperienced one at that.

Whoever agreed to that should be made to go and watch Port Vale play every home game throughout next winter without a coat.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I pretty much agree with everything you say, but that wasn’t the point you were making. You said they’d gone backward under Amorim.

To argue that is rather premature.

I guess it’s a hard judgment because there seems to have been very little improvement and results seemed to have got worse

But it is a massive summer ahead - think it’s a long road because of past poor management

 

[Billysboots]

I guess it’s a hard judgment because there seems to have been very little improvement and results seemed to have got worse

But it is a massive summer ahead - think it’s a long road because of past poor management

It’s not a hard judgement. It’s an impossible one. That’s my point.

And I agree, it’s a tough road ahead.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I get what you are saying but I still think it's reasonable to expect some improvement. He isn't going to be able to change the whole team this summer, he's going to have to work with the bulk of the squad next year as well. That can't be inspiring for fans.

It will be interesting to see how many do stay

They a couple of saleable assets that may be sacrificial

Mainoo
Rashford obviously
Garnacho

That gives them some breathing space

Fernandes but then I don’t think there will
Be any profit on him

And then people that aren’t good enough or just can’t stay fit

They prob need maybe 7 new first team players

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It’s not a hard judgement. It’s an impossible one. That’s my point.

And I agree, it’s a tough road ahead.

we went through some big ups and downs over 30 years from 91 but apart from 4 months under Hodgson I don’t think we ever reached as low

FSG buying the club was key for us

They got a few things wrong early doors but got some key signings right - then a mess with the end of Rodgers but then Klopp

He came halfway through up and down first season until the final of the Europa but what was key was the data team lead by Graham and Edwards

As an example they were the ones that wanted Mane and Firmino

And then the big one was Salah - Klopp wanted Brandt they said Mo was a better fit and he trusted them

Nunez was the first signing away from that model

That is why who the team is behind is prob just as big - that helped us rebuild up , I think your biggest concern isn’t Amorin as I think he is a smart bloke but it’s INEOS and who they put in place in sort the transfers etc out

 

[Fade and Die]

But if the ticket goes to someone who had been on the waiting list, then that could be the seeds of a new fan committed long term to the club?

If season tickets can be passed down to family members, I'd have thought most would plan to always try and do that, thus making it almost impossible for anyone else to ever have a chance of getting one? Especially if they've committed a payment for the privilege of being on the list, which I was unaware of.

Question, if you are a season ticket holder, and you've a child who is growing up and you would like to get them a ticket, what is process? Do they go on normal list, or do they go on some sort of elevated list? Or does it depend if a nearby seat becomes available?

I don’t know about the process as all clubs are different, but I do know about the importance of continuity. My son’s ticket used to belong to my mum. When she passed we asked the club if we could transfer it which they had no problem with. (Might be different now with more shyster owners) It enabled us to still go as a family with my dad.

 

[Fade and Die]

Pretty terrible show by West Ham today, sooner the season is over the better!
Not sure if Potter is just making strange substitutes to show the chairman how poor the squad is but every time he made a change we looked even more like the relegated side!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Pretty terrible show by West Ham today, sooner the season is over the better!
Not sure if Potter is just making strange substitutes to show the chairman how poor the squad is but every time he made a change we looked even more like the relegated side!

The subs were awful, you don't take Bowen JWP and Emerson off at 1-0 when it's close

Soler offers nothing , soucek should be playing

Gullimere looks promising mind

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Quick start

And finally someone at Villa will score more Prem goals than Agbonlahor