The Footie Thread

[Junior]

Given how both teams played, I’d say it’s actually a good point for Liverpool.

I have mixed feelings. At 1-2 I said to my lad that the performance was more important than the result, and I was seeing much to make me feel really, really positive. Not least the outstanding performances in the middle of the United midfield. So I wouldn’t have been too disappointed to have lost.

But having reflected on things and watched the game back, it’s starting to feel very much like two points dropped from a United perspective.

I just hope we now kick on. I’ll be fuming if we put in another huff and puff display against Southampton.

I think that’s the next big question of Amorim and the team. Can they bring that energy and intensity to every game. Thats what the great teams do.

Ugarte and Mainoo are key to that. I’m nervous their backups (Casemiro/Eriksen) are now past it.

Interestingly McTominay is having a worldy of a season in Napoli and they’re top of the league. I’d love him in the squad but understand why he left.

 

[Orikoru]

He's usually poor at the back but this is another level. Maybe the transfer talk but he's making zero effort to engage with United players. Tip toeing around at the back doing nothing.

Don't worry, I can explain it easily - I put Trent into my fantasy team this week, so of course he had his worst game of the season.

 

[Orikoru]

I don't get why you'd play him in defence? It's utter madness. Why not attacking right side midfielder? Not holding - he'd be no good there...

I think he's playing in the wrong era personally. His game is similar to Beckham's, but in those days teams were playing 4-4-2 with a proper right-footed right midfielder - Trent would have excelled there as well. Nowadays that position is non-existent, because your right winger is a left-footed player who cuts inside and gets in the box. He's not good enough at dribbling to play as an inverted left winger either. So you can only play him on the right of a 3-man midfield, or as a wing back in a 3-centre back formation. Or you play him as a wing back in a back four and accept his defensive weaknesses, as Liverpool have done.

 

[Beezerk]

IOr you play him as a wing back in a back four and accept his defensive weaknesses, as Liverpool have done.

And Man Utd, looking at their attacking stats they definitely saw him as a weak link and targeted that side.

 

[Orikoru]

And Man Utd, looking at their attacking stats they definitely saw him as a weak link and targeted that side.

Yeah, but I'm sure every team does that and usually it doesn't work because the Liverpool team are good enough to win anyway.

 

[Don Barzini]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875629075559281018

Gotta love this sort of take - which is not the first of it's kind I've seen bandied around.

Translation: "The traditional Big Six that we the press love to write about aren't fighting it out for the top spots at the moment, so therefore the league is poor."

Feel free to disagree with me if you wish, but I'd suggest the very fact that a few teams are upsetting the apple-cart actually makes the league better and far more interesting. And I would be saying that even if Forest weren't one of them, before anyone suggests otherwise!

 

[Bdill93]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875629075559281018

Gotta love this sort of take - which is not the first of it's kind I've seen bandied around.

Translation: "The traditional Big Six that we the press love to write about aren't fighting it out for the top spots at the moment, so therefore the league is poor."

Feel free to disagree with me if you wish, but I'd suggest the very fact that a few teams are upsetting the apple-cart actually makes the league better and far more interesting. And I would be saying that even if Forest weren't one of them, before anyone suggests otherwise!

Its now not even a few, the league is fully open again really.

PSR starting to have its effect, those that recruit best will have the success.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Given how both teams played, I’d say it’s actually a good point for Liverpool.

I have mixed feelings. At 1-2 I said to my lad that the performance was more important than the result, and I was seeing much to make me feel really, really positive. Not least the outstanding performances in the middle of the United midfield. So I wouldn’t have been too disappointed to have lost.

But having reflected on things and watched the game back, it’s starting to feel very much like two points dropped from a United perspective.

I just hope we now kick on. I’ll be fuming if we put in another huff and puff display against Southampton.

Whilst United had a lot of hard work - we certainly appeared to have a lot of the better chances , stats are obviously not the main thing but they favoured Liverpool especially when it come to chances


your team worked very hard get onto the first ball but there still seems to be a bit of quality missing and it’s going to need the players to have that level of effort every single game

 

[Arthur Wedge]

And Man Utd, looking at their attacking stats they definitely saw him as a weak link and targeted that side.

What doesn’t help him is Mo has pretty much a free license to roam and not bother tracking back this season - so a lot of times TAA hasn’t been as wondering as he normally is plus Konate has helped cover him

Man Utd just bypassed him with ease and isolating him on the outside dragging Konate out with him - that’s going to happen and why Konate is key but was was bad yesterday was how poor on the ball he was , how he seem to not even work , just looked miles away from the game - it was his worst game for us. We have two cup games coming up and suspect Bradley will play against Spurs and then TAA will need to step it up for the spot against Forest

 

[Arthur Wedge]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875629075559281018

Gotta love this sort of take - which is not the first of it's kind I've seen bandied around.

Translation: "The traditional Big Six that we the press love to write about aren't fighting it out for the top spots at the moment, so therefore the league is poor."

Feel free to disagree with me if you wish, but I'd suggest the very fact that a few teams are upsetting the apple-cart actually makes the league better and far more interesting. And I would be saying that even if Forest weren't one of them, before anyone suggests otherwise!

It makes the league better

City walking every league year after year was boring

To see other teams battling for European spots is great imo

 

[Orikoru]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875629075559281018

Gotta love this sort of take - which is not the first of it's kind I've seen bandied around.

Translation: "The traditional Big Six that we the press love to write about aren't fighting it out for the top spots at the moment, so therefore the league is poor."

Feel free to disagree with me if you wish, but I'd suggest the very fact that a few teams are upsetting the apple-cart actually makes the league better and far more interesting. And I would be saying that even if Forest weren't one of them, before anyone suggests otherwise!

Rather than the league being poor, I think he should have said the title race is poor, because the teams you expect to compete for it are mostly all miles off it. More teams are under-performing than over-performing though I'd say.

 

[Billysboots]

Whilst United had a lot of hard work - we certainly appeared to have a lot of the better chances , stats are obviously not the main thing but they favoured Liverpool especially when it come to chances


your team worked very hard get onto the first ball but there still seems to be a bit of quality missing and it’s going to need the players to have that level of effort every single game

Hmmm. Great chance for Amad in the first half with that header, and Hojlund also had a great opportunity just before half time. And Maguire could, and should, have nicked all three points.

For me, they were three clear cut chances. I think you are doing United a bit of a disservice, Phil.

Great game, though. Really entertaining watch. Which is, after all, why we watch.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Hmmm. Great chance for Amad in the first half with that header, and Hojlund also had a great opportunity just before half time. And Maguire could, and should, have nicked all three points.

For me, they were three clear cut chances. I think you are doing United a bit of a disservice, Phil.

Great game, though. Really entertaining watch. Which is, after all, why we watch.

United did play well

But Liverpool still created more chances - Onana made some great saves from Jota , McAllister , Bradley , VVD and Grav

A point each prob about right with Man Utd hard work

And it was a great game to watch

 

[Orikoru]

I saw this on a Spurs Facebook group yesterday.



Worse than Christian Gross! It is baffling that he's being allowed to continue running our players into the ground for absolutely no return.

 

[Billysboots]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875629075559281018

Gotta love this sort of take - which is not the first of it's kind I've seen bandied around.

Translation: "The traditional Big Six that we the press love to write about aren't fighting it out for the top spots at the moment, so therefore the league is poor."

Feel free to disagree with me if you wish, but I'd suggest the very fact that a few teams are upsetting the apple-cart actually makes the league better and far more interesting. And I would be saying that even if Forest weren't one of them, before anyone suggests otherwise!

Which is precisely why Leicester’s title in 2016 was the best thing to happen to the Premier League in years.

I wasn’t around this forum when United were good. Had I been, you would have heard me say it was boring to see any single team run away with the league, especially if it happened for several years. City’s four on the trot has been really bad for the league as a whole.

Give me an exciting league any day. And if that includes non “big six” teams, so much the better. Leicester City’s win was magical for the Premier League (I accept a Forest fan may feel uncomfortable with that!), not least because it meant that, the following August, 20 teams kicked off their seasons with hope that they might achieve something.

It’s what football, and the rivalry which comes with it, is all about.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Which is precisely why Leicester’s title in 2016 was the best thing to happen to the Premier League in years.

I wasn’t around this forum when United were good. Had I been, you would have heard me say it was boring to see any single team run away with the league, especially if it happened for several years. City’s four on the trot has been really bad for the league as a whole.

Give me an exciting league any day. And if that includes non “big six” teams, so much the better. Leicester City’s win was magical for the Premier League (I accept a Forest fan may feel uncomfortable with that!), not least because it meant that, the following August, 20 teams kicked off their seasons with hope that they might achieve something.

It’s what football, and the rivalry which comes with it, is all about.

The days when the likes of Villa, Forest , Everton etc could win the league

 

[Steve Wilkes]

I'm surprised at the lack of the discussion on the Nunez non-sending off

 

[Hobbit]

Whilst United had a lot of hard work - we certainly appeared to have a lot of the better chances , stats are obviously not the main thing but they favoured Liverpool especially when it come to chances


your team worked very hard get onto the first ball but there still seems to be a bit of quality missing and it’s going to need the players to have that level of effort every single game

Both teams had good spells of pressure, and both teams could have won the match and it would have been a fair result either way - it was that close.

One of the best matches I’ve seen in a good while. The intensity & energy, especially in the conditions it was played in, was exceptional.

I would have preferred a L’pool win but was disappointed when Maguire missed at the end.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Both teams had good spells of pressure, and both teams could have won the match and it would have been a fair result either way - it was that close.

One of the best matches I’ve seen in a good while. The intensity & energy, especially in the conditions it was played in, was exceptional.

I would have preferred a L’pool win but was disappointed when Maguire missed at the end.

It was a great game to watch , had everything really , some great play , some awful stuff - a good old Derby

I said before that all the talk of a stuffing was nonsense

Both teams needs to get results next match

United to try and build some form and Liverpool to keep up the gap behind them

 

[Swango1980]

I think he's playing in the wrong era personally. His game is similar to Beckham's, but in those days teams were playing 4-4-2 with a proper right-footed right midfielder - Trent would have excelled there as well. Nowadays that position is non-existent, because your right winger is a left-footed player who cuts inside and gets in the box. He's not good enough at dribbling to play as an inverted left winger either. So you can only play him on the right of a 3-man midfield, or as a wing back in a 3-centre back formation. Or you play him as a wing back in a back four and accept his defensive weaknesses, as Liverpool have done.

TAA has a good right foot, that is where the similarity ends.

Beckham had the heart of a lion, and would sweat blood for his club or England. He often played wide right to take advantage of his crossing, but could easily play central midfield. He never played right-back (that I remember), but I'm sure he could do a job there if asked. He certainly wouldn't lack the work rate anyway.

Beckham had a lot of attributes that TAA severely lacks. He often looks lost when out of possession, and I wouldn't play him in central midfield either, as he looks out of his depth there as well. Sure, he might play one or two great passes, but it is a risk playing him there based on what he lacks.