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[Billysboots]

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2 decent seasons in the prem with 17 goals.
Blagged a living.

Those who don’t actually watch United every week, or who rely on highlights, keep referring back to the 30 goals a couple of seasons ago. But, as you quite rightly identify, the actual stats illustrate that Rashford has never been prolific.

And for a winger/forward, I don’t think 40 assists in 287 games, over 10 seasons, is anything to write home about.

Defensively he brings absolutely nothing. His repeated failure to keep possession places those behind him under pressure, and he makes no effort to atone for his own mistakes.

Very good player? Not in my book. No longer in the opinion of his last two international managers. And now, it seems, in the view of his club manager.

 

[PJ87]

Those who don’t actually watch United every week, or who rely on highlights, keep referring back to the 30 goals a couple of seasons ago. But, as you quite rightly identify, the actual stats illustrate that Rashford has never been prolific.

And for a winger/forward, I don’t think 40 assists in 287 games, over 10 seasons, is anything to write home about.

Defensively he brings absolutely nothing. His repeated failure to keep possession places those behind him under pressure, and he makes no effort to atone for his own mistakes.

Very good player? Not in my book. No longer in the opinion of his last two international managers. And now, it seems, in the view of his club manager.

I don't think assists can be used as a measurement , considering how bad your strikers have been aswell

What if he laid on 30 chances a game and only every 5 games someone put it in that goes down as poor but really it's poor finishing

Chances created is a better stat

Also key moments, IE the pass before an assist is so underrated

Yesterday Bowen got an assist for taking the shot, keeper saved and kudus taps in

But the player who set up bowen? Well he doesn't get bugger all ..

 

[PJ87]

You can just hear the deluded Ozzie now

Right lads we stuck to my tactics and we lost the second half 3-2 which is an improvement on losing the first half 3-1 so it's a reflection of trust my methods even tho they are utter horse

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Some quality play going forward today - could have been double figures

Wonder if we have played anyone yet

 

[4LEX]

Ange is doing about the best job he could given the level of their keeper, defence and midfield. Throw in injuries at the back and it's not a surprise they're leaking a lot.

The reality is 6th to 8th is Spurs level and they're playing entertaining football which is something the fans demand. I'm sure they'll pick up and finish in or around those positions. They've also got a chance of winning the League Cup and Europa League.

Another manager might come in and change tactics but would be unlikely to do much more with the current level of players. You'd then have boos and the fans moaning about boring football and not enough goals.

 

[Billysboots]

I don't think assists can be used as a measurement , considering how bad your strikers have been as well

Really? He’s played with the likes of Rooney, Zlatan and Ronaldo during that period. Three of the best goalscorers of all time.

 

[clubchamp98]

I’m disappointed about the 3 we let in

Yes I agree.

But you don’t get many chances in the PL to score double figures but that was one.

We made a mess of so many good chances it was definitely on.

Mad game of footy.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Really? He’s played with the likes of Rooney, Zlatan and Ronaldo during that period. Three of the best goalscorers of all time.

On the outside does it highlight the periods where the players were in their respective careers

Rashford was just starting his career and a lot of sub appearances whilst Rooney and Zlatan at the end of their careers

Whenever I have seen Rashford play at his best was when he was coming in from the left hand side


The talent is there no doubt - shown that but application , attitude and desire clearly been missing

A move will imo ignite that desire again

 

[PJ87]

Really? He’s played with the likes of Rooney, Zlatan and Ronaldo during that period. Three of the best goalscorers of all time.

Yes really. How many key passes did he make that set up the assist in that time? That stuffs not recorded

He runs through, cuts back to someone who lays off for Ronaldo to tap in for example.. he would get bugger all for that



He has had some decent seasons for assists , I'd be interest to see which season has the better strikers..

 

[Pin-seeker]

Those who don’t actually watch United every week, or who rely on highlights, keep referring back to the 30 goals a couple of seasons ago. But, as you quite rightly identify, the actual stats illustrate that Rashford has never been prolific.

And for a winger/forward, I don’t think 40 assists in 287 games, over 10 seasons, is anything to write home about.

Defensively he brings absolutely nothing. His repeated failure to keep possession places those behind him under pressure, and he makes no effort to atone for his own mistakes.

Very good player? Not in my book. No longer in the opinion of his last two international managers. And now, it seems, in the view of his club manager.

He’s had a couple of purple patches,last one just before he signed his current contract wasn’t it?

 

[PJ87]

Ange is doing about the best job he could given the level of their keeper, defence and midfield. Throw in injuries at the back and it's not a surprise they're leaking a lot.

The reality is 6th to 8th is Spurs level and they're playing entertaining football which is something the fans demand. I'm sure they'll pick up and finish in or around those positions. They've also got a chance of winning the League Cup and Europa League.

Another manager might come in and change tactics but would be unlikely to do much more with the current level of players. You'd then have boos and the fans moaning about boring football and not enough goals.

Ange is up there as one of the worst managers spurs have had

He doesn't have a plan b

He just sticks to his deluded plan

Always wins trophys in his second season. Yeah in some farmers league . He's utter rubbish

 

[Billysboots]

Yes really. How many key passes did he make that set up the assist in that time? That stuffs not recorded

He runs through, cuts back to someone who lays off for Ronaldo to tap in for example.. he would get bugger all for that

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He has had some decent seasons for assists , I'd be interest to see which season has the better strikers..

I’m not going to get into a nit picking tit for tat. I watch the fella play. I have watched him play first hand since he first arrived on the big stage.

And his stats do not lie. Beyond the goals which, as P-S has very correctly pointed out have tended to come in bursts, Rashford adds very little to United, regardless of who has been playing up front during the last ten years.

He is nowhere near the player that far too many seem to think.

 

[Billysboots]

He’s had a couple of purple patches,last one just before he signed his current contract wasn’t it?

I actually think his last two contract extensions were off the back of his two decent goalscoring seasons.

 

[PJ87]

I’m not going to get into a nit picking tit for tat. I watch the fella play. I have watched him play first hand since he first arrived on the big stage.

And his stats do not lie. Beyond the goals which, as P-S has very correctly pointed out have tended to come in bursts, Rashford adds very little to United, regardless of who has been playing up front during the last ten years.

He is nowhere near the player that far too many seem to think.

I'm not sure if 50 includes the assists I assume it does but that's 10 more

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I’m not going to get into a nit picking tit for tat. I watch the fella play. I have watched him play first hand since he first arrived on the big stage.

And his stats do not lie. Beyond the goals which, as P-S has very correctly pointed out have tended to come in bursts, Rashford adds very little to United, regardless of who has been playing up front during the last ten years.

He is nowhere near the player that far too many seem to think.

When he played against Everton he was from that left hand side and looked good scoring 2 goals

Then just disappeared- did they move him back through the middle ? Does he want to play through the middle

 

[Billysboots]

When he played against Everton he was from that left hand side and looked good scoring 2 goals

Then just disappeared- did they move him back through the middle ? Does he want to play through the middle

He’s never wanted to play as a nine. That’s not his best position. His best position is on the left.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

He’s never wanted to play as a nine. That’s not his best position. His best position is on the left.

And that’s where he seems to play his best so why move him to the middle ?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Yes really. How many key passes did he make that set up the assist in that time? That stuffs not recorded

He runs through, cuts back to someone who lays off for Ronaldo to tap in for example.. he would get bugger all for that

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He has had some decent seasons for assists , I'd be interest to see which season has the better strikers..

Which seasons?

 

[Billysboots]

And that’s where he seems to play his best so why move him to the middle ?

He doesn’t often play through the middle, Phil.

The issue is United only have one striker. Hojlund. That’s it. Zirkzee is more of a ten. So if Hojlund is rested or injured, they either play a false nine, or put Zirkzee or Rashford up top.

Rashford is not, never has been and never will be a centre forward. There never has been a long term plan to play him there, and on the occasions he does play through the middle it is out of necessity, and he rarely plays well.

 

[Swango1980]

Rashford's ability is less relevant in this situation I think. Antony still gets picked after all.

Rashford can score goals, he can hit a good shot, and every now and then a dribble might actually come to something.

Amorim has just walked through the door, and with a few weeks dropped him completely. The reason will be nothing to do with goal scoring. Amorim has seen something that he doesn't like at all with Rashfords attitude, professionalism. If Rashford was a solid pro, he'd pick him and try and improve him, like he is trying with other players.

But, Amorim had seen something that Utd fans have suspected, given his lazy displays on the field. His interview, which basically said "Amorim expects too much of me, I'm out of here" also demonstrates his complete lack of drive to succeed through tough times.

This is why Utd fans generally want him gone. And that says a lot, as they'd always give a local kid the most leeway. I'd absolutely love him to stand up to the test, and prove everyone wrong and start scoring 30 goals a season minimum, for next 5 or so years. But, it is more likely Antony will be awarded the Balon d'Or