No one. A full on pile on it perfectly acceptable on this one
PaulMdj
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Hang on! The article from the Daily Mail Phil posted clearly stated that the Referee got it wrong on the day and he now feels it should of been Offside and a Red Card, as the offside wouldn’t of stopped him from giving a Red Card for serious foul play.
On the day he didn’t and VAR didn’t see it as a foul, that’s why their was no retrospective action, they reviewed it at the time.
If they had given Offside and not looked at the challenge, the PL could of taken retrospective action.
Swango1980
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Anybody who genuinely felt Man Utd, or any team with any ambition to compete near the top, should employ Southgate as manager clearly know nothing about football. If that was what Ashworth wanted, then he really should have been sacked as soon as he opened his mouth on the matterLoved the bit re where Dan Ashworth wanted Southgate to become the Utd manager. Sometimes your wishes don’t come true.
Arthur Wedge
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Who meYou just want us to have Southgate !!!!
Howe wouldn’t have been a bad choice
But even then surely this would have all come up during the process of head hunting him in the first place
Arthur Wedge
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Yes that’s correct - the officials at the time were too focused on the offside and ignored the tackle
No one. A full on pile on it perfectly acceptable on this one
Much as I thought! After all, United are probably the most discussed team on this thread. Sometimes even by United fans.
As regards Ashworth, pretty much everything I have read or heard in the last couple of days would suggest that his way of thinking simply didn’t fit in with the club’s, and those in executive positions around him. If that’s true, then it is astonishing that this wasn’t identified prior to recruiting him.
As a consequence, I’m not sure I believe the official versions being drip fed into the media. I doubt very much this was a mutual decision, as suggested by the official statement. There is more to it - has to be - and the club owe everyone some sort of explanation, if only to put a stop to the speculation.
Amorim must be wondering what on earth he has let himself in for. Unless, of course, this departure is in some way connected to his arrival. My suspicion straight way was that this is the case. The fact that Ashworth allegedly preferred other options does not really lay solid foundations for a positive working relationship between manager and sporting director.
It also seems to me that there is some blurring of edges when it comes to executive roles. Jason Wilcox is there as the technical director, Chris Vivell as head of recruitment. Which begs the question, what exactly was Ashworth’s role? The fact that the club do not immediately seem to be seeking a replacement would tend to suggest United had gone from a total absence of sporting executive expertise, to having too many fingers in the pie.
Whatever, INEOS have not come out of this looking good in any way, shape or form. And I suspect there will be more upheavals before the dust settles.
Arthur Wedge
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Anybody who genuinely felt Man Utd, or any team with any ambition to compete near the top, should employ Southgate as manager clearly know nothing about football. If that was what Ashworth wanted, then he really should have been sacked as soon as he opened his mouth on the matter
Man Utd aren’t at the top right now and need stability
Maybe Southgate is exactly what was needed to stop the sinking ship , turn it around like he did with England and build back up until the club was in a better position to employ a better manager
Arthur Wedge
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Seen reports that they are looking at Dougie Freedman ( who Newcastle tried to get to replace Ashworth )
What does need clarity is who is responsible for what
An example - we have Hughes who is DoF , he works with Edwards for staff recruitment ( manager ) and contracts etc
And he works with Ward , Slot , Fallows and Hunter for player recruitment - he is the middle man for it all
PaulMdj
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See the bit in bold from the BBC Report:
Everton goalkeeper Jordan Pickford will not face retrospective action over his challenge on Virgil van Dijk in Saturday's Merseyside derby.
The FA determined the incident was seen at the time having consulted with the match officials, including VAR.
Arthur Wedge
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Virgil van Dijk: Referee Michael Oliver admits mistake over Jordan Pickford tackle on Liverpool defender
Liverpool defender Virgil van Dijk required knee surgery after Everton goalkeeper Jordan Pickfords challenge during Octobers Merseyside derby; Oliver: We got sucked too much into going step by step as opposed to thinking of the bigger process
It was a red card tackle and it was a mistake by the ref , it happened years ago , time to move on
Bdill93
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Well the fans seemed happy with it overall at the time of him coming in, I assumed the hype was built on solid foundations!
Arthur Wedge
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It’s certainly been a mixed bag of success for INEOS on a sporting front
PaulMdj
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I read it first time you posted it Phil, the FA made the decision hours after the incident, Oliver’s interview was months/years afterwards and after he’d be hounded by the media and Lpool fans over it.Virgil van Dijk: Referee Michael Oliver admits mistake over Jordan Pickford tackle on Liverpool defender
Liverpool defender Virgil van Dijk required knee surgery after Everton goalkeeper Jordan Pickfords challenge during Octobers Merseyside derby; Oliver: We got sucked too much into going step by step as opposed to thinking of the bigger processwww.skysports.com
So did he lie to the FA? All officials were mic’d up.
Arthur Wedge
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Time to move on , the ref admitted they got it wrong , it’s a red card tackle , it was pretty clear at the time and discussed on here
GB72
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Loved the bit re where Dan Ashworth wanted Southgate to become the Utd manager. Sometimes your wishes don’t come true.
Nah, Southgate will end up at Spurs. They will have Potter all lined up, a few fans will kick off about him being at Chelsea and they will do a panic about face and hire Southgate.
Arthur Wedge
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It’s coming in after the glazers - suspect most Man Utd fans would be happy with near enough anyone coming in
PaulMdj
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Happy to move, especially when Oliver stated in the article “ I genuinely don't think Pickford has done anything apart from try to spread himself”
No intent to injure a fellow professional, just like Son’s trip.
Arthur Wedge
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Arthur Wedge
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Happy to move, especially when Oliver stated in the article “ I genuinely don't think Pickford has done anything apart from try to spread himself”
No intent to injure a fellow professional, just like Son’s trip.
Who said anything about intent
He was high and dangerous and the tackle causing a season ending injury - what is the issue
There is no comparison between the two tackles
Swango1980
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I rest my caseMan Utd aren’t at the top right now and need stability
Maybe Southgate is exactly what was needed to stop the sinking ship , turn it around like he did with England and build back up until the club was in a better position to employ a better manager
