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Liverpoolphil said:
There were will be things being said but right now the ball just isn’t bouncing right and there maybe needs that little bit of fortune , a scrappy goal , lucky bounce here but right now it’s just not going that way - confidence is very low right now and it’s going to be a stumble until the end of the season

The squad isn’t as weak as people suggest - we haven’t played the first choice back 4 for 6 months , first choice midfield and the front three have lost their fluidity when Jota was injured

Even with all those injuries we are still in with a chance of top 4 and I would suspect any other club who loses the same level of players would be bottom half
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I'm not convinced on your depth.

I rate Gomez and Matip. But nether can hold the team together without VvD who would obviously improve Any team, but others may have two others who cope better.

Imo, the bisggest (only) mistake this season has been the using both midfield at the back.

They lost the midfield battle in games and the rot set in.

Your starting 11-14 is immense. But imo you always need to pick 4 from 5 in attack as the drop off from there is too steep.

I do think you'll have Klopp at start of season irrespective of how this season plays out, but do think if you start next season slowly. Changes could happen.
 
Papas1982 said:
I'm not convinced on your depth.

I rate Gomez and Matip. But nether can hold the team together without VvD who would obviously improve Any team, but others may have two others who cope better.

Imo, the bisggest (only) mistake this season has been the using both midfield at the back.

They lost the midfield battle in games and the rot set in.

Your starting 11-14 is immense. But imo you always need to pick 4 from 5 in attack as the drop off from there is too steep.

I do think you'll have Klopp at start of season irrespective of how this season plays out, but do think if you start next season slowly. Changes could happen.
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I think you might be correct about depth, but not in every aspect, after van dyke was injured they went on a 11 or 12 game unbeaten run and were 4 points clear at the top at christmas.

They could obviously cope with 1 or 2 injuries, but losing all the centre backs has been massive.
 
Tashyboy said:
I called it a couple of months ago when Klopp was not backed in getting a decent centre half, that Liverpool may not qualify the for the champs league. It now looks like Europe could be a struggle. That said it may be a blessing playing nigh on 10 less games a season.
My concern is this. Klopp has said that not qualifying for champs league does not mean players will leave. But not qualifying for Europe is a different matter, esp when the papers are already mentioning players that will replace Salah. Another concern, All players values have gone down. So what Salah and others were worth last season is no where near this season.
I thought that performance was shocking and if I was a Liverpool fan I would be disgusted And that’s putting it mildly. It looked like they did not want to play for Klopp and that for me is unforgivable.
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Did you think the same with pep 10 games in this season?

Thought not.
 
Papas1982 said:
I'm not convinced on your depth.

I rate Gomez and Matip. But nether can hold the team together without VvD who would obviously improve Any team, but others may have two others who cope better.

Imo, the bisggest (only) mistake this season has been the using both midfield at the back.

They lost the midfield battle in games and the rot set in.

Your starting 11-14 is immense. But imo you always need to pick 4 from 5 in attack as the drop off from there is too steep.

I do think you'll have Klopp at start of season irrespective of how this season plays out, but do think if you start next season slowly. Changes could happen.
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The only team that’s going to have really strong level of depth is City

When we lost VVD we still had Gomez and Matip who are both top CB’s but we lost Gomez not long after and even then we did well until Xmas time - it was losing both Jota and Keita who both were getting into a stride and allowed the front three to be rotated and also some drive from the midfield and then Matip was injured as well then Fabinho the fourth choice went down as well - that 4 CB’s out , meaning either 5th or 6th choice CB’s having to play our Centre Mids. Today was I beleive our 19th different CB pair. We then then just seem to slow everything down which doesn’t suit the full backs or the front three and a lot of that comes from missing both Henderson and Fabinho from the middle of the park .

I think the squad is good enough but unless a team can spend millions it’s going to be hard to cover from losing so many injuries and right now it’s hard to get out of the rut

Jota coming back is key , time for Klopp to trust two cbs and let Fabinho into the middle of the park
 
Thought I would have a tiddle before it started and Utd get a penalty ?

That aside it seems a proper derby, City making far to many wrong final passes. I can see City scoring but I can see Utd having chances as well.
 
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Papas1982 said:
Years ago Wigan won the cup and got relegated. Most of their fans couldn’t careless about the relegation. They‘d had their premiership fairytale amd the cup was cherry On top of the cake.

A genuine question to the Liverpool fans.

A lot is made of Klopp running players into the ground. Imo realistically with more rotation over the last 3 years, you could have possibly Still won the CL and would yet again be in the CL places, but probably at the expense of last seasons title.

if you go back to struggling to break into top 4 over the next few years. Was the title worth it? I’m pretty sure the answer to that would be yes form the fans, but what about the owners. Will they lose faith with klopp if you continue the free fall this season?
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Its not worth worrying about qualifying or not qualifying for Europe over the next few years, until or if ever it happens.

We had to get the 30 year monkey of our back, that was imperative.

A 6th European cup under Jurgen, cements our "European royalty" even more. Ask City / Arsenal/ Spurs fans what they wouldn't give for even one of them.

Jurgen still has a lot of credit in the bank for what he's done, but all patience has an end.

Lets judge him again when the crowds are back / injured CB's are back / 2-3 new signings (not 5) unless he sells a few / VAR starts getting applied fairly and consistently (if ever) / a bit of luck / investment / players are back to form / players are back to a normal season with a normal pre-season.

But that is only part of the story, where we havent helped ourselves is the following. We should have bought a team ready CB once we sold Lovren, Matip's injury record is poor and relying on Fabinho as 4th choice CB shouldnt have been thought of. Investment - Since 2015 I think only 3 premiership teams have spent less, nett. The recruitment has been immense, but with the money saved we should be able to afford a Koulibaly or even buy a Haaland, Sancho, Werner. Okay they have invested off the pitch, but we shouldn't be getting outspent on the pitch by Everton, Wolves, Spurs, and many mid-table teams. Playing 4-3-3- week in week out over the last 2-3 months, we need to change the dynamic. With hindsight, we should have thought, sod it, play any two CB's and strengthen the midfield.

A good bit is outside our control, a decent amount isnt. Its now well more than a blip, but real fans will still back Jurgen next year. We hope the owners do, as well.

In a parallel universe, would you give Moyes a 5 year contract, just based on a good year, similar to one that Pardew had at Newcastle years ago, which earned him a 7 year contract?
 
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A poor performance and the best team won. I thought Pep got it wrong not playing Walker. utds pace was always a problem for City.
 
Slime said:
Where has this United been for the last few weeks?
Great result, great performance.
Pogba who?
Shaw, a shoe-in for the next England squad?
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I agree, but, as much as I wanted him nowhere near the club, we do miss the post Xmas Pogba. He was immense for those 6 weeks and showed what he is capable of. He still has a lot of questions against his name though. Why was it that as soon as his scumbag agent comes out saying he wants to leave, does he start start look like a Rolls Royce of a player ????

Fred gives the ball away too much.
 
AmandaJR said:
After 10 minutes and a goal conceded and Kevin giving the ball away at least 5 times I knew the day wasn't going to end well!
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What I couldn’t understand was not playing Walker from the start. He has pace to counter pace. Cancelo again dropping into midfield when he does not have to. Why he never tracked back for the second I will never know.
Re Utd, that’s the Utd playing at there best, they have been far to conservative on to many occasions this season.
 
Utd are a horrible and scabby side but they were brilliant for the majority of the game today. Shaw and Rashford especially.

No idea what Pep was doing playing a similiar side and tactics that proved a failure last season and earlier this season. Foden injected more speed and quality in 20 minutes than anyone else bar KDB managed in the entire game. Sterling and Jesus were embarrassing today, only matched by Martial for a horror show in finishing. Obviously going to walk the league still but poses questions about City in the CL....

It'll be great to see this City side with Haaland upfront.
 
Junior said:
I agree, but, as much as I wanted him nowhere near the club, we do miss the post Xmas Pogba. He was immense for those 6 weeks and showed what he is capable of. He still has a lot of questions against his name though. Why was it that as soon as his scumbag agent comes out saying he wants to leave, does he start start look like a Rolls Royce of a player ????

Fred gives the ball away too much.
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Pogba isn't the answer, he's been part of the problem.

Utd need to sell De Gea, Pogba and Martial and use the money to sign a proper DM, RW and striker. That won't happen as Woodward won't take a loss on his star players and their insane wages will put off everyone, bar PSG. Pogba will get a huge new deal so both sides can save face and then down tools. I'm afraid you're stuck with Ole and the freak show for the next year or two before Poch comes in after getting bored of winning everything at PSG.

Although knowing Woodward he'll bin Ole halfway through next season and hire someone like Allegri, another dinosaur. At least you've got great growth on TikTok and have a decent woman's side though......;)
 
4LEX said:
Utd are a horrible and scabby side but they were brilliant for the majority of the game today. Shaw and Rashford especially.

No idea what Pep was doing playing a similiar side and tactics that proved a failure last season and earlier this season. Foden injected more speed and quality in 20 minutes than anyone else bar KDB managed in the entire game. Sterling and Jesus were embarrassing today, only matched by Martial for a horror show in finishing. Obviously going to walk the league still but poses questions about City in the CL....

It'll be great to see this City side with Haaland upfront.
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4LEX said:
Pogba isn't the answer, he's been part of the problem.

Utd need to sell De Gea, Pogba and Martial and use the money to sign a proper DM, RW and striker. That won't happen as Woodward won't take a loss on his star players and their insane wages will put off everyone, bar PSG. Pogba will get a huge new deal so both sides can save face and then down tools. I'm afraid you're stuck with Ole and the freak show for the next year or two before Poch comes in after getting bored of winning everything at PSG.

Although knowing Woodward he'll bin Ole halfway through next season and hire someone like Allegri, another dinosaur. At least you've got great growth on TikTok and have a decent woman's side though......;)
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