Kellfire
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So it's now been proven that he was called a monkey. Bad old Neymar, though, how dare he walk around being racially abused...
Liverbirdie
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Kellfire
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If only he knew were row Z was.
*insert joke about Row Z cars here*
Orikoru
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If it's now proven then obviously they should throw the back at the guy who said it. But what I said still stands - Neymar has created his own reputation and can't be surprised if people don't immediately side with him on his word alone.
Dan2501
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Shocking from Pickford. I praised him after he was so good against Spurs, but that was awful. I don’t know if it’s lack of concentration or what, but a PL goalkeeper shouldn’t make errors like he’s prone to as often as he does.
I don't know what our back up keepers are like but it could be time to throw one of them in for a few games. If they are not good enough, why are they there if they aren't?, then get Romero in from Utd. Not expensive, available, wouldn't have to move, solid keeper. Pickford's errors are becoming too consistent. He is going Joe Hart on us
Liverbirdie
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I don't know what our back up keepers are like but it could be time to throw one of them in for a few games. If they are not good enough, why are they there if they aren't?, then get Romero in from Utd. Not expensive, available, wouldn't have to move, solid keeper. Pickford's errors are becoming too consistent. He is going Joe Hart on us
England keepers - thats so 70's.
Back in the day we had a number of great keepers, generally acknowledged as some of the best in Europe, but are nowhere near it now.
Has coaching changed so much, natural ability, or what is it? Granted, we have always been behind Europe in defenders and keepers playing out from the back and that is a large part of the goalkeepers skill set nowadays, but is that one of the main reasons?
clubchamp98
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But does that give him the right to punch someone in the back of the head.
Whoever said the Monkey insult should be dealt with seriously.
But retaliation has always been dealt with red cards.
Orikoru
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I think you're right. When you hear the phrase 'good shot stopper' these days it sounds like damning with faint praise - but that should be the fundamental basic requirement. It should be a given that a Prem goalie is a good shot stopper. As you say, I think scouting and training seems to be after this all round goalie trying to find the next Ederson, but in trying to find one who can ping it around with his feet, surely you end up compromising on actual goalkeeping ability at times. It's the exact same with centre backs. Remember when top clubs centre backs were all world class units, now you have a team like City playing someone like John Stones at the back. It's a head scratcher.England keepers - thats so 70's.
Back in the day we had a number of great keepers, generally acknowledged as some of the best in Europe, but are nowhere near it now.
Has coaching changed so much, natural ability, or what is it? Granted, we have always been behind Europe in defenders and keepers playing out from the back and that is a large part of the goalkeepers skill set nowadays, but is that one of the main reasons?
clubchamp98
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Kids don’t play footy in the park anymore.England keepers - thats so 70's.
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Back in the day we had a number of great keepers, generally acknowledged as some of the best in Europe, but are nowhere near it now.
Has coaching changed so much, natural ability, or what is it? Granted, we have always been behind Europe in defenders and keepers playing out from the back and that is a large part of the goalkeepers skill set nowadays, but is that one of the main reasons?
That’s all we did when I was a lad.
The grass is to long most of the time.
Kids with talent are picked up very young and coached to death ,but imo the coaches are killing their natural talent to play the way they want them to.
It is quite sad isn't it? Getting in an overseas keeper would barely have registered in the 70's, just about came into it in the 80's, Grobbelar being the obvious one. A keeper would come through the ranks, there was an endless line of them across clubs. If you needed another you dipped into div 2 or 3, showing my age there, and picked one out, put them in the reserves for a year and then gave them the shirt. I find it hugely disappointing that many teams seem have to overseas keepers as their back ups, whether young lads brought in or older ones finishing their careers with a nice pay day. I'd rather have a British back up, 20-24 range. If they can't break through by 24, and show no sign of it, then move them on and get the next young lad in. I don't expect them to be local any more, deep sigh, but surely from within the country there must be talent.England keepers - thats so 70's.
Back in the day we had a number of great keepers, generally acknowledged as some of the best in Europe, but are nowhere near it now.
Has coaching changed so much, natural ability, or what is it? Granted, we have always been behind Europe in defenders and keepers playing out from the back and that is a large part of the goalkeepers skill set nowadays, but is that one of the main reasons?
Keepers get their own bespoke coaches now so I don't think they are lacking there. Maybe kids don't want to be keepers? Do they all want to play out and so the pool to pick from is not as large? I'm not sure what the reasoning is. Hopefully we are just going through a dip and the next wave will come in and change the thinking.
Kellfire
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It’s more the vilification and some people (not just on here) did seem to take the attitude of, “Oh, it’s Neymar, he’s lying”.
Orikoru
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Again though, that's because of his reputation isn't it?? And he has created his own reputation with his behaviour.
4LEX
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Spot on.
Neymar has behaved like an arrogant clown taking the piss ever since he signed for PSG, he thrives on getting a reaction. Doesn't make this right (if proved) and the defender should be punished. However, Neymar once again acting the victim when he's played a key part in the situation. Showboating, nothing performance, getting angry, slapping someone and then when a player responds he cries like a baby.
4LEX
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Beezerk
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I think it was more "Oh it's Neymar, what a snidey little ball end he is".
Liverbirdie
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Wasnt there a time in the 70's when we had Clemence, Shilton, Parkes, Corrigan and more vying for the England jersey, may have been some other good uns as well.
All 4 of those were top draw. I'd have any of them now, although not at their current ages
. Corrigan in particular was unlucky not to have made more England appearances. He was one of those non flashy keepers who just got on with it and never let you down.
fundy
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Pretty sure Everton fans would take Neville Southall at his prime currently, hed certainly have put it in row Z
There are few teams who would not take him at his prime. He was a tremendous keeper in his day, certainly the best Everton have ever had.Pretty sure Everton fans would take Neville Southall at his prime currently, hed certainly have put it in row Z
Nothing wrong with a bit of row Z
. More need to do that but I suspect the edict comes from the manager as much as the keeper choosing to do it.
