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Swango1980 said:
Of the players that will probably most need to be considered to move on, I'd say only 2 would be ETH signings. My list would be:

Antony
Eriksen
Lindelof
Maguire (I like him, great attitude, but I don't think he'll be in 1st 11 ultimately)
Martial (out of contract)
Rashford
Varane (out of contract)
Wan Bissaka
McTominay
Sancho

I wouldn't expect all to leave, and maybe there might be one or 2 others that go, like Casemiro. Maybe even a surprise or two.
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You can add Donny van de Beek to that list, also.
 
samthom99 said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Richard Keys warns Man City's title streak 'comes with an asterisk'

Richard Keys broke down the details of Manchester City's 115 FFP charges live on-air before their 2-0 win over Tottenham on Tuesday night.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

He's actually right for once .
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No he's not, he's a dinosaur and way past it, should have been put out to pasture after sky. So they overspent and covered up the money they had I don't think most peoiple car, in fact they would want to be able to do the same to get the same results. You know they are so rich they should just be able to spend what they want and if they win everything well done to them. That's what Abramovich did and what what Newcastle would want to do. Spend Spend Spend.

The rules were directly brought in to stop clubs like City breaking in to the rarefied top clubs and are and continue to be a disgrace.

Man Utd have a had a fortune and peed it up the wall with poor decisions, heck you could give them double the money and they would still be poor team. Everton have wasted a billion quid and nearly got relegated twice.

But really we know it's more than money, it's the manager, the backroom staff, the team, the players, the training and coaching and so on and City deservedly have nailed it but football is so tribal and fans look for any reason to make them feel better just liek them Spurs fans the other day.

However when Pep goes it will be interesting to see if City are such a force, personally I don't think they will be, maybe we need to put a * after City once he leaves so we can see how damn good he was.
 
Swango1980 said:
I'm certainly not saying I want Antony to start from what I've seen. Amad has been given his chance by ETH lately, done pretty well, and I would like to see him on the right.

But, also don't want to get carried away just yet, on the limited amount we've seen him. Man City on a neutral ground will be a very different prospect to Newcastle at home. Attacking wise, Antony had been very disappointing. His shooting is garbage, and like Rashford it looks to be his only attacking feature. Unlike Rashford though, he does put in a lot of effort. Will ETH think Antony would be worth starting, thinking he will be a better option in tracking back and helping the team, then have Amad as a fresh attacking option later in game?

Basically, whether Antony starts or not, I wouldn't be shocked either way really. I'd like to see Amad, but I watch the matches on TV. ETH watches them live, analyses them to death after, watches the players train and paid to pick the team. And if he does poorly, risks the sack. No managers gets every single decision perfectly, but picking a player because your pig headed is a stretch. Maybe a few months after signing a player, a manager may continue to show faith, hoping they see the form they feel the player had. But not 2 seasons in. Even if Antony had a good game, it is too late to use that as evidence he was worth every penny.

Amrabat is another interesting player. Thought he has been very good since playing last 2 games. So very confused as to what has been going on when he couldn't get in side for ages.
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I hope you win in the final, so it will be intresting to see what happens. Rashford on the right could also be an option as he has the pace to test Gvardiol but he's been so poor this season. He seemed to have a bust up with some fans before the game and looks like his head is fried.

The biggest thing from the last two games is that ETH has changed his set up and played a more defensive side with Amrabat in it. Despite all the injuries the team looked more organised and balanced which has been lacking all season. What did you make of the speech he made last night?
 
Reemul said:
No he's not, he's a dinosaur and way past it, should have been put out to pasture after sky. So they overspent and covered up the money they had I don't think most peoiple car, in fact they would want to be able to do the same to get the same results. You know they are so rich they should just be able to spend what they want and if they win everything well done to them. That's what Abramovich did and what what Newcastle would want to do. Spend Spend Spend.

The rules were directly brought in to stop clubs like City breaking in to the rarefied top clubs and are and continue to be a disgrace.

Man Utd have a had a fortune and peed it up the wall with poor decisions, heck you could give them double the money and they would still be poor team. Everton have wasted a billion quid and nearly got relegated twice.

But really we know it's more than money, it's the manager, the backroom staff, the team, the players, the training and coaching and so on and City deservedly have nailed it but football is so tribal and fans look for any reason to make them feel better just liek them Spurs fans the other day.

However when Pep goes it will be interesting to see if City are such a force, personally I don't think they will be, maybe we need to put a * after City once he leaves so we can see how damn good he was.
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When ever another team starts spending big money it’s the ones sitting at the top table that don’t like it the most,obviously they feel threatened.
Personally I think it’s good.
Otherwise we’d have Man Utd & Liverpool having the pick of the crop when signing players since the 80s.
 
samthom99 said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Richard Keys warns Man City's title streak 'comes with an asterisk'

Richard Keys broke down the details of Manchester City's 115 FFP charges live on-air before their 2-0 win over Tottenham on Tuesday night.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

He's actually right for once .
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City have won three on the spin. If Liverpool and Arsenal had not bottled it twice between them we would be talking about just the one title. Exactly how much did City pay for Arsenal and Liverpool to buckle under pressure.
On Sunday, it may be a fourth again how much did City pay Arsenal to go all Spursy.
 
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PJ87 said:
Pep played that ederson sub very smart. Didn't take him off under concussion sub rules .. but got him off before he could go down again

He will then be available for Sunday (not that he will be needed) where if he had gone off it's 10 days isn't it? Or at least 7
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www.bbc.co.uk

Man City: Ederson has fractured eye socket and will miss final two games

Manchester City goalkeeper Ederson will miss Sunday's Premier League title decider and the FA Cup final because of a fractured eye socket.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

He suffered a facial injury not a head injury and he will not be available for the last two games of the season. It was the medical team that told Pep he had to come off.
 
Junior said:
I know, it’s a shame really.

Our best performances (and I know there have not been many) have been with a makeshift side including the younger / second string players like Amad, McTominay Mainoo, Garnacho and Amrabat.

It’s a shame we have had the injuries (ETH training schedule ? ) as I think Bruno, Amrabat and Mainoo in midfield is a good partnership, and then bring in Mctominay/Casemiro when he needs to rotate. Garnacho, Hojlund and Amad as a front three works…..and we’ve not even spoke about Rashford and Sancho. (I actually like Rashford on the left and Garnacho on the right also).

I guess what I’m saying is the focus this Summer needs to be on the centre of defense and cover for AwB and Dalot.

Also, those who are slating Casemiro haven’t seen what he’s done when he’s been in a settled side. As a holding midfielder infront of the two CB he’s quality. He’s just been thrust into roles this season that don’t suit him.
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I don't think you can blame ETH for the injuries completely but the end to end, crazy pace of games would put the players under a heavier workload. Who knows though! He definitely failed to rotate players last season which caused the burn out at the end.
 
4LEX said:
I hope you win in the final, so it will be intresting to see what happens. Rashford on the right could also be an option as he has the pace to test Gvardiol but he's been so poor this season. He seemed to have a bust up with some fans before the game and looks like his head is fried.

The biggest thing from the last two games is that ETH has changed his set up and played a more defensive side with Amrabat in it. Despite all the injuries the team looked more organised and balanced which has been lacking all season. What did you make of the speech he made last night?
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I liked it. To be fair, what else can he say? He spoke to the point, and at least he appeared strong and confident in the team.

I just hope the players listened and shared belief in his confidence of them.
 
Reemul said:
No he's not, he's a dinosaur and way past it, should have been put out to pasture after sky. So they overspent and covered up the money they had I don't think most peoiple car, in fact they would want to be able to do the same to get the same results. You know they are so rich they should just be able to spend what they want and if they win everything well done to them. That's what Abramovich did and what what Newcastle would want to do. Spend Spend Spend.

The rules were directly brought in to stop clubs like City breaking in to the rarefied top clubs and are and continue to be a disgrace.

Man Utd have a had a fortune and peed it up the wall with poor decisions, heck you could give them double the money and they would still be poor team. Everton have wasted a billion quid and nearly got relegated twice.

But really we know it's more than money, it's the manager, the backroom staff, the team, the players, the training and coaching and so on and City deservedly have nailed it but football is so tribal and fans look for any reason to make them feel better just liek them Spurs fans the other day.

However when Pep goes it will be interesting to see if City are such a force, personally I don't think they will be, maybe we need to put a * after City once he leaves so we can see how damn good he was.
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Yes he is, however i agree with the rest of your sentence on Keys.

Overspending and covering up what they have done is simply cheating. Whether you care or not they have broken the rules and should be punished. Whether we agree on the rules or not it is besides the point. Fwiw, i think clubs should be able to spend what they like BUT, there has to be some sort of rules to stop teams from going under.

To suggest that rules have only been brought in to stop teams from challenging is naive. Financial rules were brought in to protect all clubs and not just the eilte.

Teams do and have wasted money over the years and will continue to do so.

What Pep has created on the football pitch with all those footballers has been incredible and he undoubtedly deserves all the praise and recognition he gets. It takes a lot more than just throwing money at it. So in this instance without all of the investment at City what Pep has done would be impossible.
 
samthom99 said:
To suggest that rules have only been brought in to stop teams from challenging is naive. Financial rules were brought in to protect all clubs and not just the eilte.
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No it is not, it's naive that you believe it otherwise.

These rules only benefit the top teams the elite, it does nothing for anyone else except restrict them joing the top. While they may be a by product of the rule that is useful in fooling the gullible the only reason for these, the same as the Euro League, is to keep the so called big boys at the top and restrict anyone else from joinging them. It is likely to effect other people buying teams looking at the restrictions already in place at Newcastle. Why would anyone with obscene amounts of money by Bournemouth or Palace knowing they would be screwed at joing the top tier or have to hope in 15 years they get there while those at the top continue to grow the gap as well. It's like asking Turkeys to vote for the Xmas menu for the next ten years and letting the Chicken and Beef in to vote as well but restricting anyone else then wondering why we can't have Turkey, Chicken and Beef at Xmas.

I mean really come on, clubs still go bust still, drop out, getting treated appaling by their owners, have dodgy owners and so own regardless.
 
Reemul said:
No it is not, it's naive that you believe it otherwise.

These rules only benefit the top teams the elite, it does nothing for anyone else except restrict them joing the top. While they may be a by product of the rule that is useful in fooling the gullible the only reason for these, the same as the Euro League, is to keep the so called big boys at the top and restrict anyone else from joinging them. It is likely to effect other people buying teams looking at the restrictions already in place at Newcastle. Why would anyone with obscene amounts of money by Bournemouth or Palace knowing they would be screwed at joing the top tier or have to hope in 15 years they get there while those at the top continue to grow the gap as well. It's like asking Turkeys to vote for the Xmas menu for the next ten years and letting the Chicken and Beef in to vote as well but restricting anyone else then wondering why we can't have Turkey, Chicken and Beef at Xmas.

I mean really come on, clubs still go bust still, drop out, getting treated appaling by their owners, have dodgy owners and so own regardless.
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OK, let us say there are no financial restrictions. Then a mega wealthy owner buys someone like Palace. Palace can then spend like crazy, and potentially climb the table.

Fair enough, Palace fans will be happy. But, how will Bournemouth, Brighton, West Ham, etc fans feel like a club potentially overtakes them in the league, because some mega rich owner randomly bought Palace? How will Wolves, Fulham, Everton, Brentford, etc fans feel that they can't get within touching distance of Palace? When Chelsea had Abramovich come in, I don't think it was just Man Utd fans that were frustrated. Fans of many clubs were frustrated. It also entices other clubs to overspend, to at least try and remain competitive with these clubs.

But, is that what fans have to moan about know? Moan that clubs with billionaire owners can't spend as much money as they like, in the hope that one day a billionaire owner will buy their own club and somehow they'll reach the promised land?

Besides, I don't think billionaire owners will have anywhere near the impact Abramovich did back in the day, even if FFP was lifted. Too many other clubs have a heck of a lot of money. Great players can get incredible amounts of money at so many clubs now. Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle, etc would all be capable of paying incredible amounts of money if they had no restrictions. I'm sure there are several more clubs who could do the same. So, if a billionaire came to Palace, it would surely help them out. But, the very best players are still more likely going to go to several other clubs that already have a massive global profile and will enhance their own sponsorship opportunities.

Also, if football becomes even more of a billionaires playground, will it not just widen the gap between clubs with mega wealthy owners and everyone else?
 
Swango1980 said:
OK, let us say there are no financial restrictions. Then a mega wealthy owner buys someone like Palace. Palace can then spend like crazy, and potentially climb the table.

Fair enough, Palace fans will be happy. But, how will Bournemouth, Brighton, West Ham, etc fans feel like a club potentially overtakes them in the league, because some mega rich owner randomly bought Palace? How will Wolves, Fulham, Everton, Brentford, etc fans feel that they can't get within touching distance of Palace? When Chelsea had Abramovich come in, I don't think it was just Man Utd fans that were frustrated. Fans of many clubs were frustrated. It also entices other clubs to overspend, to at least try and remain competitive with these clubs.

But, is that what fans have to moan about know? Moan that clubs with billionaire owners can't spend as much money as they like, in the hope that one day a billionaire owner will buy their own club and somehow they'll reach the promised land?

Besides, I don't think billionaire owners will have anywhere near the impact Abramovich did back in the day, even if FFP was lifted. Too many other clubs have a heck of a lot of money. Great players can get incredible amounts of money at so many clubs now. Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle, etc would all be capable of paying incredible amounts of money if they had no restrictions. I'm sure there are several more clubs who could do the same. So, if a billionaire came to Palace, it would surely help them out. But, the very best players are still more likely going to go to several other clubs that already have a massive global profile and will enhance their own sponsorship opportunities.

Also, if football becomes even more of a billionaires playground, will it not just widen the gap between clubs with mega wealthy owners and everyone else?
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The sad fact is that money and big spending is necessary for success. it does not guarantee success but lack of spending in most cases means that success will not be forthcoming. It may not be seen as fair that a new owner can spend their club above their peers but is it any fairer that other clubs can already spend more. Football has made itself a sport about money as much as anything else and I cannot see that changing.

In an ideal world, give the clubs the same budget every year, that would give you a great league. If not, let clubs spend as much as they like as long as it is not translated into club debt. If the owner wants to spend billions of their own money to win then let them. Hopefully that even clearer definition of money bringing success may bring about the revolt by other clubs to put a stop to it in the long term.
 
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